School ‘Correct’ to Ban U.S. Flag T-Shirts for Campus Safety

Court rules that teachers were right to ban Stars and Stripes clothing in case it sparked racial violence

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A high school in Northern California wasn’t doing anything wrong when it asked students to turn their T-shirts with American flags inside out on Cinco de Mayo, the Mexican heritage celebration, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Thursday.

The court said that the school officials’ concern that star spangled T-shirts might provoke racial violence outweighed the student’s rights to freedom of expression, and that it was correct of the officials to prioritize campus safety.

The school, Live Oak High School, has previously had problems between white and Latino students on the holiday celebrating Mexican troops’ defeat of the French army in 1862.

One of the lawyers representing the students said he will appeal the case all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

[AP]

192 comments
JamesMontgomery
JamesMontgomery

it's like telling them they can't celebrate Cinco De Mayo 

ConcernedGrandma
ConcernedGrandma

If the shirts cause problems what they  need to do is send them back where they come from. To be an American one must take an oath to America.  That means our flag.  If our flag is offensive, go to where the flag you want to wave is and leave us alone. This is the only country in the world that changes it laws and history to satisfy ever culture in this country. Honoring our flag does not say one can not keep their culture, it means they pledge to take care of this one. And if someone does not want to take care of it. Go home to were you come from.  

CherylJenkinsPotter
CherylJenkinsPotter

School was VERY WRONG to ban U.S FLAG t-shirts! The school itself does NOT want kids to wear FLAG t-shirts!! THE AMERICAN FLAG MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO THIS COUNTRY & THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!! UNBAN THIS!!!!!

lechman
lechman

To every immigrant or child of an immigrant: My father, himself an immigrant who later became a naturalized citizen, used to put up a Ukrainian flag on Ukrainian Independence Day every year while I was growing up. However, he would always put up an American flag as well. I never thought about it back then but what he was doing was paying respect to the nation that welcomed him in and allowed him to prosper in a way he wouldn't have been able to back in his native land. Maybe that seems corny and old-hat, but it was the right thing to do. And you should probably do it too, whenever you celebrate your homeland's culture and heritage, remember and respect the land that's made it possible for you to do so. I'm not an Ukrianian-American, I'm an American of Ukrainian descent, but I can appreciate and respect both nations.

ezkl2230
ezkl2230

An excerpt from Pres. Teddy Roosevelt's remarkable essay, "True Americanism:"


"The third sense in which the word “Americanism” may be employed is with reference to the Americanizing of the newcomers to our shores. We must Americanize them in every way, in speech, in political ideas and principles, and in their way of looking at the relations between Church and State. We welcome the German or the Irishman who becomes an American. We have no use for the German or Irishman who remains such. We do not wish German-Americans and Irish-Americans who figure as such in our social and political life; we want only Americans, and, provided they are such, we do not care whether they are of native or of Irish or of German ancestry. WE HAVE NO ROOM IN ANY HEALTHY AMERICAN COMMUNITY FOR A GERMAN-AMERICAN VOTE OR AN IRISH-AMERICAN VOTE, AND IT IS CONTEMPTIBLE DEMAGOGY TO PUT PLANKS INTO ANY PARTY PLATFORM WITH THE PURPOSE OF CATCHING SUCH A VOTE. We have no room for any people who do not act and vote simply as Americans, and as nothing else… 


BUT WHERE IMMIGRANTS, OR THE SONS OF IMMIGRANTS, DO NOT HEARTILY AND IN GOOD FAITH THROW IN THEIR LOT WITH US, BUT CLING TO THE SPEECH, THE CUSTOMS, THE WAYS OF LIFE, AND THE HABITS OF THOUGHT OF THE OLD WORLD WHICH THEY HAVE LEFT, THEY THEREBY HARM BOTH THEMSELVES AND US. IF THEY REMAIN ALIEN ELEMENTS, UNASSIMILATED, AND WITH INTERESTS SEPARATE FROM OURS, THEY ARE MERE OBSTRUCTIONS TO THE CURRENT OF OUR NATIONAL LIFE, AND, MOREOVER, CAN GET NO GOOD FROM IT THEMSELVES. In fact, though we ourselves also suffer from their perversity, it is they who really suffer most. It is an immense benefit to the European immigrant to change him into an American citizen. To bear the name of American is to bear the most honorable titles; and whoever does not so believe has no business to bear the name at all, and, if he comes from Europe, the sooner he goes back there the better. Besides, the man who does not become Americanized nevertheless fails to remain a European, and becomes nothing at all. The immigrant cannot possibly remain what he was, or continue to be a member of the Old-World society. If he tries to retain his old language, in a few generations it becomes a barbarous jargon; if he tries to retain his old customs and ways of life, in a few generations he becomes an uncouth boor. He has cut himself off from the Old World, and cannot retain his connection with it; and if he wishes ever to amount to anything he must throw himself heart and soul, and without reservation, into the new life to which he has come. IT IS URGENTLY NECESSARY TO CHECK AND REGULATE OUR IMMIGRATION, BY MUCH MORE DRASTIC LAWS THAN NOW EXIST; AND THIS SHOULD BE DONE... TO KEEP OUT LABORERS WHO TEND TO DEPRESS THE LABOR MARKET… 


From his own standpoint, IT IS BEYOND ALL QUESTION THE WISE THING FOR THE IMMIGRANT TO BECOME THOROUGHLY AMERICANIZED. MOREOVER, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND IT. WE FREELY EXTEND THE HAND OF WELCOME AND OF GOOD-FELLOWSHIP TO EVERY MAN, NO MATTER WHAT HIS CREED OR BIRTHPLACE, WHO COMES HERE HONESTLY INTENT ON BECOMING A GOOD UNITED STATES CITIZEN LIKE THE REST OF US; BUT WE HAVE A RIGHT, AND IT IS OUR DUTY, TO DEMAND THAT HE SHALL INDEED BECOME SO and shall not confuse the issues with which we are struggling by introducing among us Old-World quarrels and prejudices. There are certain ideas which he must give up. For instance, he must learn that American life is incompatible with the existence of any form of anarchy, or of any secret society having murder for its aim, whether at home or abroad; and he must learn that we exact full religious toleration and the complete separation of Church and State. Moreover, he must not bring in his Old-World religious race and national antipathies, but must merge them into love for our common country, and must take pride in the things which we can all take pride in. HE MUST REVERE ONLY OUR FLAG; NOT ONLY MUST IT COME FIRST, BUT NO OTHER FLAG SHOULD EVEN COME SECOND... ," True Americanism, Theodore Roosevelt.


DanielBaker1
DanielBaker1

The school here uses the exact same argument that southern states used to justify Jim Crow.  Black people sitting at whites-only lunch counters were arrested because their presence might inflame white racist bigots to attack them - and of course, the State, instead of arresting the violent white bigots, arrested the black people who were just peacefully exercising their civil rights.  


Same thing here, except this time the school is punishing the white people who are exercising their constitutional rights instead of the Hispanic kids who supposedly would attack them.  BTW, I think it's more than a little racist of the school to paint all Hispanic kids as if they were violent and irrational enough to attack whites who are just peacefully wearing the American flag - and it's more than a little cowardly to take away everyone's free speech rights just to placate the very small portion of the Hispanic student body who might be moronic enough to use violence.

RhondaWilliams
RhondaWilliams

This is America.  ANYONE ANYWHERE within our borders should never be told not to display our flag.  If the mexicans have a problem with it, they need to move to Mexico.  They're probably illegal anchor babies anyhow. I hope this does go to the Supreme Court.  Civil rights should not be lessened ANYWHERE for our LEGAL citizens.

DouglasOscarGarner
DouglasOscarGarner

When the Taliban attacked America.BUSH went after them and almost annihilated there whole world.

Now that theirs a ape in charge,this is what we'll do?

EricHord
EricHord

This is a failure of the School and not the Students on more than one level.  One Cinco De Mayo in America is an Mexican American Holiday celebrated on May 5th -- Hence the name Cinco De Mayo,  


It "is a much bigger holiday in the United States" than Mexico, especially in the western and southwestern states. It originated with Mexican-American communities in the American West as a way to commemorate the cause of freedom and democracy during the first years of the American Civil War,and today the date is observed in the United States as a celebration of Mexican heritage and pride.

                                                                                                                                                                 

I think the school should teach the students what Cinco De Mayo REALLY is in America.   I think they have fallen short as to what is being celebrated.   In Mexico on the same day yes its celebrated as the victory over the French.  However in America its roots are in the Civil War.    So when these students wish to wear the AMERICAN flag there should be pride in wearing it.  The Mexican flag has nothing to do with the Celebration.  If the minorities of Mexican Americans can not get it though their heads of the true meaning of the holiday perhaps they should suspend the holiday, and keep the shirts.

beenthere2
beenthere2

Ever wonder why the circulation of weekly news magazines and daily newspapers have fallen so low.  My opinion is exploiting this type of anti-American garbage

TonyMurrey
TonyMurrey

Screw the mexican students. Let them go back to their country and celebrate it. I hope EVERY American student comes to school wearing an American flag on that day with their middle finger raised.

DavidPrewett
DavidPrewett

I put my life on the line for this great country so that all legal citizens can have the right to fly the U S FLAG or wear it as a symbol of freedom for this country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TammyMoore
TammyMoore

While in college, I did research on immigration.  ALL the things ILLEGALS do in America would get you thrown in prison in Mexico.  Not only are you not allowed to speak ANY language other than Spanish, you are not allowed to celebrate any holidays other than Mexican holidays, you are not allowed to be a burden to their government ~~ meaning NO FREE anything, food, medical, education, housing, medical~~ and last but not least, you ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FLY ANOTHER NATION'S FLAG!!!  WHY do they come to America, wanting FREE CITIZENSHIP, and then want to try to change America into the country that they left?  If it were so bad they had to leave it for a better means of living, then why not leave it there and ACCEPT the new country and ALL if has to offer?  Geeze, if they hate America, her customs, flags, language, and everything else ~~ GO THE HELL BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM~!~~

JalaineFojut
JalaineFojut

This is America , this is the flag of the United States , How can you ban a flag that lives here? Ban the other flag


tryspeaks75
tryspeaks75

one by one, rule by rule. This country loses its freedom, not from with out, but from within.  We are inslaved, controlled and instructed by dictators all in the name of our safety. our rights and freedoms disappear all to keep us safe by "leaders" that believe we are children and think they know better then us, but only care for themselves. By reading of the trolling here, it seems that their right.

denhartdesign
denhartdesign

To Michelle Arrouas and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals: You are absolutely wrong. This absurd ruling is in violation of the First Amendment, clearly. The real provocation is perpetrated by latino students who flaunt the Mexican flag inappropriately in defiance against the United States, within our borders, on U.S. soil. If teachers choose to study Mexico (or any other nation) and have students display the flag of another nation in the classroom, that's one thing. But from what I have personally witnessed, students have defiantly raised the flag of Mexico as a statement of hatred toward the United States. Kiddo, I have lost family and friends who fought and died for this nation. I am the blood relative of John Hart, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, who lost all in the rebellion against British tyranny and the injustices of a corrupt government. If you hate this nation so, then my counsel to you is to pack up your things and leave it. Either love this country, be loyal, defend its Constitution, respect its flag, or get out. Go where you'll feel at home - go live where your allegiance is, but don't you dare play games with our American civil liberties.

GenePratt
GenePratt

I and my LATINO friends and I have many are upset with this school and this court for denying these students to wear AMERICAN FLAG SHIRTS, it is a disgrace to the AMERICAN FLAG, and it shows the 9TH DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS, has forsaken it's oath to preserve, protect and defend the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA which makes them traitors to the CONSTITUTION and they should be disbanded, these LATINOS live in AMERICA, not MEXICO, and if they can not act like adults and respect the AMERICAN FLAG, then they should not be in AMERICA, I am sure they will wear shirts and hats with the mexican flag on it but no one will punish them for that JUST as they will not punish them for being in gangs, as it is their right to do that, so why are AMERICAN'S being punished and denied the same right??? I think the school should look at the people, and punish the ones who are advocating violence, instead of keeping them from their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to express their AMERICAN HERITAGE, just as LATINO'S have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to express their MEXICAN heritage, but not at the price of another people's CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, go back to MEXICO if you think you will get better treatment there instead of starting violent attacks on the AMERICAN'S who are showing their pride for their country,, PERIOD!!!!

iprazhm
iprazhm

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

PatOrsban
PatOrsban

Strange. I would have thought that the criminally insane would be barred from siiting ont the bench. I guess in CA that is the norm. Another reason to stay away from the cesspool.

danielguzman83
danielguzman83

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/california-students-sent-home-wearing-flags-cinco-mayo/


I'm guessing this is what started it. Seems like the principal was the moron. As a "Mexican American", I don't care about celebrating cinco de mayo. My parents are Mexican, my mom born here and my dad born there. They never showed any Mexican pride or recognized Mexican holidays. My dad says that we are here now, not over there. I absolutey don't see anything wrong with people trying to recognize there roots and I admire and respect them for that but I think it's wrong to get rid of American rights because of a misunderstanding, It's causing unnecessary drama.


I read many comments on other sites and I must say that there are so many racist people in this country. It's sad that there are so many narrow minded people in what is supposed to be the greatsest country. A lot of comments really pissed me off but you have to remember that the average intelligence in this country is a bout the same as the intelligence of a 6th grader. I'm saying 6th grade intelligence and 6th grade education.

RockfordJamesHill
RockfordJamesHill

America! !@#$ Yeahh! Since when do we care about such nonsense. If you want to represent the United States Of America on Cinco De Mayo, More power to you! You are in America and you are American!

AntonioPires
AntonioPires

As also a immigrant I could be biast, but I'm not a drone, ither a kool aid drinker. Lets put race, and other BS aside. If the Mexicans want to celebrated the Mexican day or ever, it should not be in the School campus. Than they could banned anyone that they feel ok to do so. In the America School, both should be able to wear what ever, as long it is not with a racial derragatory writings on it. This Judge it's smoking sme this stuff that are smuggled through the border. We decided to come here without invitation, and are demanding that this Country bend over for us? Get real, please don't make a guy like me and many others look like a morons like you guys. You all should be greatfull that you have a country to go to, to scaped from all the corruption and decapitation that you guys have in there.Only in America.

tempf451.rb
tempf451.rb

i think you should not ware a flag as a costume but as patch

BretFox
BretFox

The local yocal community organizer needs to stay out of matters that he has no clue as to how to handle. This is how wars are started.

SarahSerrano
SarahSerrano

Myself and many countless others did not risk our lives so that any countries flag besides the American flag can the respect owed to it. The honor of this country and its sacred flag should be the focus of anyone living in this country. This country gave you your freedom. Since the foundation of this country, those have fought for the American flag to be flown higher in this ciuntry than any others. Wish this country would be more concerned with those who returned home in an American flag caped casket than pride of their own origin and have some pride in it. Celebrate where your from but do not silence the country you ran to. This is so absurd.

Nacirema
Nacirema

I have never put an entry into any of these online comment boards until now. This really pissed me off.

Nacirema
Nacirema

This should never happen in the U.S. If kids are proud to wear the American flag shirts, they should be allowed. Once again, America is bowing down to another countries flag or tradition. America is the land of the free, unless you are an American.....as is the case in the CA town. The judge should be exiled from the U.S

TheRealTruth6
TheRealTruth6

Think Americans should be allowed to display the American flag freely on American soil?  Good, sign the petition on the White House petition site:  http://wh.gov/lEzZ4

EricHord
EricHord

@TonyMurrey I agree with you!!! TELL them all to GO TO HELL! Most of illegal anyway!

Arimathean
Arimathean

@DavidPrewett  That's disappointing.  I would have hoped you put your life on the line for something more meaningful, like the right to peace and security for our citizens.  Interestingly, it seems that's what the Ninth Circuit was trying to accomplish, too, whether you agree or not.

EricHord
EricHord

@TammyMoore Mexicos Immagration Laws

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in school

2. All balots will be in this Nations Language

3. All Government Business will be conducted in our Language

4. Non-Residence will not have the right to VOTE regardless of how long the lived here.

5. Non-Residence will not have the right to hold Political Office 

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers  No Welfare, No Food Stamps, No Health Care, or other government assisted programs, all those that are a burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, But it must be in an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If Foreigners come here to buy land,..options will be restricted. Certain parcels including water front property are reserved for citizens naturally borne in this country

9. Foreigners may have no protests, no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies, These will lead to deportation.

10. If you come to this country illegally you will be actively  hunted &, when caught, You will be jailed until your deportation can be arrange, ALL assets will be  taken from us.


These are the Immigration Rules posted at the Border Crossing into Mexico.


TOO STRICK! I dont think so...We need to improve or Immagration laws keeping these from Mexico in favor.


RobertQuiroz
RobertQuiroz

@GenePratt as a person of Irish and Mexican descent and Native American I Agree with you 100 persent

Americans First

RobertQuiroz
RobertQuiroz

@PatOrsban dude look around you its every where they are slowly take this Country from from us and the stupid ass people sitting on the Bench who are refusing to stand up to this stupidty, and have some guts and say no more

danielguzman83
danielguzman83

I wrote "there" when I meant "their" in the 6th sentenced.

John'Genryu'
John'Genryu'

@SarahSerrano

The flag is not sacred and has a history of being used by extremist terrorists, neo Nazis and white supremacists. They hide behind it knowing that so many will be too ignorant to realize that the real issue is racism and the rise of the extreme right in the US, not a symbol. That is exactly what happened here. And please do not invoke veterans and the military to justify your views. They are based on ignorance and you are indirectly condoning the actions of racists and neo Nazis through your ignorance. Learn the facts, read the actual court papers, do some research in future before launching off into such a frankly ignorant diatribe based on knowing nothing.

Daniel9696
Daniel9696

@Nacirema

Under the law, you're certainly not in violation to send your little racist progeny to George Washington Carver HS in Atlanta on The anniversary of MLK's assassination wearing a Confederate Flag T-Shirt, but it would be unreasonable to expect the school to guarantee your little darling's safety.  Nobody banned wearing of US flag apparel on clothing at this school except during the one day when the deliberate symbolism couldn't be interpreted as anything other than a dig at minority students.  Safety prevailed.  Nobody died.

RobertQuiroz
RobertQuiroz

@Arimathean @DavidPrewett You are Missing the Point, IF you had ever put on the uniform you would understand what David is saying, and truly appreciate what This country of ours and our Flag as well as the Rights of the American People You have to serve with your brothers in arms and go the places on this planet that make you happy that you where Born in this Great Country, As A American and as a Veteran this Country is for Americans First and it does not matter if you are white,black,brown, or purple if you are a American then your rights should come FIRST Even your rights Arimathean if you are an American not some body who is here illegal or not your Rights come First we are been Pushed aside more and more and its time we pull together and Draw that line in the sand 

RhondaWilliams
RhondaWilliams

@Arimathean @DavidPrewett Nothing gets accomplished by reducing civil rights to legal citizens.  If these Mexico worshippers have a problem with our flag, they can move back to Mexico.  There is no reason we should ever cower within our borders.  When in Rome . . . 

RhondaWilliams
RhondaWilliams

@EricHord @TammyMoore I really like this list.  We should adopt it here.  It makes entirely more sense than making our American kids turn their shirts inside out.  The rest of the world thinks we're stupid and we give them good reason to think so with these type "laws".

JamesMontgomery
JamesMontgomery

@John'Genryu'Civil War color bearer: the toughest job you'll ever love, but it will probably get you killed !
Carrying a regiment's colors into battle was considered an honor and a privilege. It was also a very dangerous job and would likely get a man maimed or killed. Thus, it required a great deal of courage.

zpillers
zpillers

@John'Genryu' The American flag is a sacred object and if you had any national pride you would realize that. Just because we support our rights and are patriot does not mean we are supporting racism and neo Nazis.

RhondaWilliams
RhondaWilliams

@Daniel9696 @NaciremaOur flag should never be banned on any day nor should our citizens' civil rights ever be lessened in our country.  No exceptions.

Stchntime
Stchntime

@John'Genryu'  

NO!  This quote is NOT attributed to C.S. Lewis!!!

It is attributed to Sinclair Lewis!!!

And NO they are not the same person!


Where are you getting your information?!

John'Genryu'
John'Genryu'

@zpillers @John'Genryu'


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Attributed to C.S Lewis.

 This is nothing to do with the fake patriotism of some Americans. Again, read the actual court papers instead of mouthing vacuous nonsense about patriotism, unless of course you are also a white supremacist, as you seem perfectly happy to repeat their talking points word for word. As for national pride, thank heavens I am not American.

Oh and Sarah, you haven't risked a damn thing and you and I both know it, but do go ahead so that I can reveal what you have actually done and not done and shame on you for using veterans to advance your bullshit agenda. Most of the veterans I know have no time for this nonsense. But do go right ahead, I'm just dying to out you.. :)

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