Pressure Builds for Arizona Gov to Veto Bill Seen as Anti-Gay

Jan Brewer is reportedly leaning toward a veto of the controversial measure

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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer faced growing pressure from all corners Tuesday to veto a controversial bill that has been assailed as condoning discrimination against gays and lesbians in the state, as reports indicated she’s leaning against the legislation.

NBC News, citing three people close to Brewer, reports she will likely veto the bill. “It’s been her proclivity in the past to focus on the priorities she wants them [the legislature] to accomplish, and this was clearly not part of her agenda,” Chuck Coughlin, a longtime Brewer adviser, told NBC. And CNN, citing people familiar with her thinking, also reports Brewer will likely wield her veto pen.

Brewer has until the end of the week to side with a growing chorus of critics, which includes many Republicans, or with conservatives touting the bill as protecting religious freedom. The legislation would protect Arizona business owners who refuse to serve gays due to their religious beliefs from lawsuits. Proponents of the measure, which passed the legislature last week, framed it as a straightforward matter of religious liberty. But gay rights advocates said it amounted to sanctioned, anti-gay discrimination, and many Republicans worried it would hurt the state’s image. National Republican leaders are also eager to avoid being embroiled in another contentious social-issues debate; both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich urged Brewer on Tuesday to veto the bill.

While weighing her options, Brewer late on Monday promised to “do the right thing for the state of Arizona.” The governor, a Republican, had earlier signaled that, while she supported the right of businesses to refuse to serve gays, she wasn’t convinced it needed to be made a matter of law. “I think anybody that owns a business can choose who they work with or who they don’t work with,” Brewer said on CNN Friday. “But I don’t know that it needs to be statutory.”

After SB1062 passed in the state House and Senate last week, Brewer faced intense pressure, including from other Republicans, to veto the legislation. Many feared the bill would open the state up to lawsuits and could make Arizona a pariah for companies looking to do business. Both of the state’s GOP senators in Washington called for Brewer to veto the measure and at least three of the Republican state senators who originally voted for the bill later signed a letter asking Brewer to veto it.

“While our sincere intent in voting for this bill was to create a shield for all citizens’ religious liberties, the bill has instead been mischaracterized by its opponents as a sword for religious intolerance,” the senators wrote Monday.

A similar piece of legislation in Kansas died in committee last week.

32 comments
SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

EQUALITY? BIGOTED? People in this country have a right to do as they please, they do NOT have a right to try to force others to agree with them. A veto on this bill amounts to religious business owners being forced to go against their religious beliefs, be subjected to lawsuits, or forced out of business.  How is that equal?  You want to call people names? WHO is actually the bigot??? Its the same principle as the things I see on television that disgust me, I change the channel. For example -  If you are gay and want to get married, go to a caterer, bakery, wedding planner, etc, that does not have deeply held religious beliefs concerning marriage. DISAGREEING with someone does not make a person a bigot, a racist, a bully, or a hater! 

If people who disagree with YOUR point of view are "backwards" - "haters" "bigots" - then WHAT ARE YOU for disagreeing with THEIR viewpoint???

WillSaverty
WillSaverty

Arizona is giving NorthCarolina a run for their money when it comes to crazy, discriminatory laws. I'll have nothing to with either state.


I feel sorry for the few old school, mainstream Republicans left who -- while I might disagree with them on various issues -- at least weren't so filled with hate. It must be hard to be in that party and not be bigoted and believe in backward social policies.

bishop.robert.paris
bishop.robert.paris

There seem to be two sides to the issue but as usual the media spin doctors have clouded the issue. The Bill is not about Gay rights, but about the right of businesses to have freedom to do business as they please without having  "BIG BROTHER" looking over their shoulder. I am a Heterosexual male Christian, and if a Business decided they did not wish to serve my kind I would respect them enough not to go through their door. What I would not do is I would not try to act like a cry baby and run to the Politicians to make them like me! Life is not Facebook people can unfriend people that they do not wish to associate with, and there is not any place in the Constitution that can be interpreted to give government the right to tell businesses how to run their business. And besides I am sure there are enough businesses that will not use the law that the LGB Lobbyist will have places they can eat, drink, and be merry and there are places where those who do not wish to see people practicing things they do not approve of can go, that way we can all live in peace.

guitarmonkey331
guitarmonkey331

Why are we spending money (which we don't have) on passing a law that will discriminate our own citizens. So much for equality...

jason024
jason024

“While our sincere intent in voting for this bill was to create a shield for all citizens’ religious liberties, the bill has instead been mischaracterized by its opponents as a sword for religious intolerance,” the senators wrote Monday.

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Wow. Only after being blasted by fellow conservatives do they see the law's severe flaws.

jason024
jason024

This bill is so broad that even if she let it go, it would have been overturned anyways by even the conservative leaning SC. What a waste.

Here come the Christian Taliban rearing their ugly heads again.

BabuG.Ranganathan
BabuG.Ranganathan

The New Testament Response To Homosexuals

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There is much to be said concerning certain Christian attitudes towards homosexuals. Some who claim to be Christian have taken a militant approach to homosexuals and used the Bible to justify persecuting them and denying them of all rights. Whether their case is supported by the Bible shall be examined.

First, however, it is important to point out that homosexuals need to respect the right of heterosexuals, particularly Christian heterosexuals, to reject homosexuality as sin, as biologically abnormal, and as biblically and morally wrong. On the other hand, it is also important that homosexuals not be persecuted by Christians or be denied their basic civil rights and liberties.

What is unfortunate is that many Christians believe in applying Old Testament justice to people today who commit particular sins. In the New Testament Christ changed the treatment towards such people. Was Christ then implying that the Old Testament system of justice was wrong? Absolutely not! God's purpose in the Old Testament was to emphasize His justice through the uniquely theocratic relationship that He had with the nation of Israel at the time. Why did God do this? One reason for why God so emphasized His justice in Old Testament times is precisely so that we can appreciate more His undeserving mercy in our present New Testament times. This is why Christ forgave and released the woman caught in committing adultery. According to Old Testament standards this woman should have received the death penalty.

Ultimately, God's justice against sin was finally and fully satisfied in the death and atoning work of His Son Jesus Christ when He died for our sins on the Cross, and through genuine repentance and faith in the resurrected Christ we imperfect humans (who will always have some sin) are freely forgiven and receive the promise of eternal life.
 

Ultimately, both sides must respect the basic civil and constitutional rights of the other, and this includes the right of the majority (heterosexuals) to determine public policy concerning issues such as marriage or civil unions.

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LillianS
LillianS

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Openminded1
Openminded1

Brewer a joke for a Gov in a joke of a state, will veto because there is to much heat on this one.

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lazywolf
lazywolf

We shouldn't have to give up our religious beliefs, or just have to act we did, to satisfy the most deviant (and vocal) 1% of our population.     

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@bishop.robert.paris  AMEN!! It is called exercise your right to take your business elsewhere! People in this country do not equal rights, they want to FORCE the whole world to agree with them. It's hypocritical and sickening!

squelchuk
squelchuk

@bishop.robert.paris Okay, what if a business decided to not serve someone because they were black?  Or they were in a wheelchair?  Or wearing a niqjab?

It's exactly the same situation as if they were gay.  It's discrimination, pure and simple, and against the 14th amendment, not to mention the fact it's wrong - morally, ethically and socially.  How about I deny you the right to eat in my restaurant because you're a christian?


Your argument that there are other businesses where they could frequent doesn't make it any less wrong.

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@jason024  Who in this country can look at the people in Washington D.C. any longer and think any of them have any kind of common sense? Democrat or Republican - if anyone in this country believes they care one iota about the "American People" they've lost their minds. They care about themselves and the position and power. What is sickening to me, is the amount of people in this country who seem to believe they are too stupid to think for themselves and truly believe they need the politicians (and the all the celebrities) to tell them what to think, what to believe, how to dress, how to speak, how to raise their children, what to eat, what to drink....What also makes me sick is the people in this country who scream "EQUAL RIGHTS" but do not realize "EQUAL RIGHTS" actually means EVERYONE is treated the same, no special considerations, no special interest groups, no "special anything" - every human being is treated exactly the same. It amazes me that men in general do not realize that the abortion laws and child support laws alone in this country discriminate against every member of the male species REGARDLESS of race, religion, national origin, etc. Yet we think we are such a SMART, INTELLIGENT OPEN MINDED country- bahahahahaha! That is the greatest joke of all! 


Tolerance, respect, and equality does NOT mean that the world must agree with you - if it does, then we're all in trouble, because we are all being offended, being discriminated against, being bullied or hated on if anyone disagrees with us, By the same token we're all guilty of those things if we do not agree any one on any thing.

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@BabuG.Ranganathan  How is saying take your business elsewhere implementing "old Testament judgement"? Pathetic..Religious people have every right to their beliefs and to honor beliefs without being subjected to lawsuits and being forced out of business. That amounts to religious persecution - and that is supposed to be part of our Constitutional rights. Being harmed because of your religious beliefs - in any shape, form, or fashion IS religious persecution.

byst1nder
byst1nder

@lazywolf.This is the United States of America, where we tolerate people of different race, religion, culture and even s e x u a l proclivity. If you want to act on your religious belief, I believe that Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan are open and are doing the same as what you want it to be.

LillianS
LillianS

@lazywolf

If you are of the religion I suspect, that religion has no component in it, no teaching, no call to judge others.  In fact, it says the opposite.  Love one another.  Another's sins are between them and God, as mine are between me and God.  My serving certain people a meal or baking a cake or arranging flowers does not promote or condone a particular lifestyle, and to fail to do so because of one's lifestyle is not within the teachings of my religion.  If you as a business person or individual choose not to serve them in some way, that should very well be your business. But to say it is a matter of religious choice or exercise of religious freedom is inaccurate.

Sandyone
Sandyone

@lazywolf  The law opens many dark doors to discriminate  anytime, anywhere,  aimed at anyone at all you decide does not meet your personal religious beliefs. No matter how strange or unusual your beliefs may be. That in itself is ridiculous

dougglast
dougglast

@lazywolf  

I don't understand at all how you will be able to tell who's in that so-called 1% and who's not, unless they tell you they are, or come in pairs and french each other before your counter.

You see, when there is a business convention, people come from everywhere from the same business, without their other half. This law seems to me impossible to enact. 

You know, laws are not just meant to authorize or forbid people to do things, they are also meant to be used in trials as a consequence, and to be used appropriately in trials, they need to be built on rational grounds, ie built on facts. 

You seem to think any homosexual in Arizona will come out, but it may not be true. Maybe gay people in the US come easily out, but people coming from everywhere to a business convention in Arizona may not be so eager to show off gayness. Especially if/when the bill becomes law.


Are you aware that you will need to prove with evidence that somebody is homosexual ? 

How will you prove that ? 

Will you have the right to inquire about his/her private life anywhere in the world ?

What if you refuse to serve a customer on that ground, and you were wrong ? 

Will you just apologize for wrongly assessing his sexuality ? 

Do you think that will be enough ? 

Or do you believe you have a 100% reliable gay radar ? 

Or will you rely on private databases that scoop the internet (actually snoop on private connections) to assess people's background on the basis of their connected activities ?

Are you sure this kind of evidence can be used in a court of justice (if it is based on snooping) ?

How do you plan to sort them out ? 

please explain.

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

You might want to read up on civil rights and Jim Crow.

Maybe some Muslim or atheist business owner will refuse you service because of your beliefs. Guess everything's okay as long as it's not you who is being discriminated against.

RichieTaylor
RichieTaylor

@lazywolf  THEN DON'T OWN A BUSINESS, OR WORK WITH THE PUBLIC. GO LIVE IN A MONASTERY IF YOU CAN'T ABIDE BEING AROUND OTHERS THAT DON'T SHARE YOUR BELIEFS.

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@squelchuk @bishop.robert.paris   If it is not alright for anyone else of any race, gender, sexual orientation, etc to be offended then explain why is it okay for a Christian or any other person with deeply held religious beliefs to be offended? Explain that? Why is not hypocritical???

jason024
jason024

After your pointless rant....

Because we are guilty of it doesnt make it right. Let alone your deeply flawed argument was used to justify some horrible things in this country.

Btw: i never said you had to agree on anything. Reading is fundamental.

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@byst1nder @lazywolf  This is AMERICA where you are supposed to tolerate and respect people of all different races, religions, and culture -  BUT - that includes CHRISTIANS..I believe if you want to rule Christians out of the mix as NOT having any rights then yes, you are correct - you should be in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Pakistan.  You want Christians to be tolerant of everything and everyone - then how about mutual respect and everything and everyone show respect and tolerance for Christian beliefs???

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@LillianS @lazywolf  Hi Lillian, I agree - except to be sued in a court of law because of your religious beliefs is discrimination, to be forced to go against your religious beliefs, or forced out of business because of your beliefs is religious persecution. Example - a  same sex couple goes to a Christian wedding chapel wanting to have their wedding at the chapel is going KNOWING that the Christian beliefs do not agree with same sex marriage. So, why should they be allowed to turn around and bring a law suit against the chapel or the preacher if they refuse based on religious beliefs? 

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@Hollywooddeed   Actually, for the majority of Christians, yes it is just fine if someone refuses to do service with us because of our beliefs..we will just take our business elsewhere - what, others cannot do the same without whining and boo-hoo'ing "they're being bullied, their being discriminated against?  99% percent of what is on television today offends me, you know what I do? I change the channel or turn it off..Your mindset is exactly what you are accusing Christians of and you are too blind to see it!

SickofDiscrimination
SickofDiscrimination

@RichieTaylor @lazywolf  And the same could said for you!!! WHY is it okay for YOU to force your beliefs on another person?? BECAUSE IT'S YOU??? News for you - equal rights does not just apply to yourself and those who agree with you. So YOU GO LIVE ELSEWHERE IF YOU CANNOT ABIDE BEING AROUND OTHERS THAT DON'T SHARE YOUR BELIEFS!


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