Florida Man Who Killed Teen Over Loud Music Dispute Due in Court

Michael Dunn will use Stand Your Ground defense, claiming he saw gun in teen's car

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The trial for the Florida man accused of shooting and killing an unarmed black teen in an argument over loud music will start Monday, and his attorneys say he plans to use the controversial “Stand Your Ground” law as a defense.

The high-profile case is being compared to the trial of George Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin, both because of the invocation of the “Stand Your Ground” defense, and because that trial’s state attorney, Angela Corey, will also prosecute this case, CNN reports.

In November 2012, Michael Dunn pulled into a convenience store parking lot next to a car full of teenagers playing music on the radio. When his girlfriend went into the store, Dunn says he asked the teens to turn the music down. When they began to argue, Dunn says he saw a gun in the car, so he grabbed his handgun and fired eight or nine shots into the car, killing 17-year old Jordan Davis. No weapons were found in the teens’ car. Dunn has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder charges along with three counts of attempted murder.

Dunn’s attorney said that her client was reacting to what he perceived as an immediate threat.

[CNN]

50 comments
rlt624
rlt624

What happen to this case... I never heard the verdict?

teebonicus
teebonicus

I have seen no reports that Dunn invoked SYG and was granted a preliminary hearing. Is this more of the same, tired tactic of dragging SYG into the conversation when there is no evidence it was claimed?

lel2007
lel2007

More proof that loud misic drives people to insanity.

panama193rd
panama193rd

Dunn was the adult here, and he acted like a thug.  Ever since Pres. Obama has been in the white house, it's been open season on blacks due to this cowardly law.  It's a law that benefits whites only, over fear.  What fear, because a  black man is in office. 

amwelsh
amwelsh

We have a group of 17 year old kids playing loud music.  My Mother would yell to my room when I was that age, "Turn that music down."  What kid doesn't listen to his music loudly?  It sounds to me like we are dealing with a fragile ego'd adult and some 17 year old boys doing what they do - showing off for attention and listening to their music loudly.  Had the fragile ego not bought into the power struggle, four kids would be in college, this year.  However, one is now dead; and the other three, I'm sure, will have long term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because of this adult's behavior.  Why didn't he just get in the car and drive away?  The kids would have outgrown the behavior without this maturity challenged adult's reaction.  Now who knows in what shape the balance of the group is and a Mother has lost her son.


brotherstone427
brotherstone427

 With respect to all, May I comment here also? As a Florida life long resident and student of FL Statues chapter .776  I can share my understanding of this shooting.

The very reason this Michael Dunn case is confusing is easy to understand once you have the Florida Law understood.Perhaps we can try and see the intent of the FL Statutes .776 concerning "Justified Use Of Force in Lawful Self Defense".
This is very important to understand, Its your rights to Self Defense in Florida.
The reason the Fl Legislators wanted to give the Law abiding citizens the benefit of the doubt instead of the attackers in cases of Self Defense is because when a victim comes under verbal or physical attack by an aggressive person or group of persons,the only reaction to the aggressive behavior the victim has any control over immediately and in the commission of an Imminent attack is their "(Fear)" of the attackers aggression.
Every criminal Violent attack is committed at the time, place and circumstance all chosen by the attacker, with a motive to commit a "Forcible Felony" on the unsuspecting Innocent Floridian or tourist.So the law will judge a surviving attacked victims response to the attack with,... "Was it "Reasonable" knowing what the defender knew at the time and was the defender in "(Fear)" of  " Serious Bodily Injury or Death".In Lawful Self Defense most victims suffer  "Fear" so great that discharging a lawfully licenced  firearm to save ones life is fully warranted and expected by Law Enforcement,  but that action to Stop an aggression is Not a Murder in any degree.The mere Verbal  "Threat" of being attacked combined with the ability to carry out the attack in an Imminent Immediate fashion is the requirement to use Lawful Self Defense. The attacker needs NO visible weapon "nor is an invisible concealed  weapon demanded by the law to justify Self defense.This is the hard  truth,.. There is No such thing as an  "Unarmed Man" or 17 yer old  "child". That is impossible to determine in a free society of fully clothed persons.There is only one way to fully establish an UNARMED Man he would be naked and in handcuffs = that is guaranteed unarmed. Constantly repeating over and over  He was an "unarmed child" is not a indication of Innocence of being the Attacker."
So the lesson we are supposed to learn from Fl .776  amended in 2005 , Called the" Stand your Ground Law" in the Media, simply removed the dangerously wrong   "Duty to Retreat",or trying to run backwards while in the attack. The result of allowing Floridans to defend themselves in public just as in their own homes was to make every one safer and Criminal Violent Attack much to risky to attempt any more on anyone. So be very polite in public and kind to every one in Florida, don't treat strangers in traffic with disrespect, violent threats or commit potential serious bodily injury or death. In your rage and aggression in public should you convince a victim you intend to do them harm they will be lawfully allowed to use Self defense to stop you.
Now, Michael Dunn was threatened with not loud music, but he states he was threatened with real "death" by the 4 men in the SUV. Is it reasonable to be  very afraid of thier threats or not? Would he have "reacted "in such a manner to stop them If he was  not afraid of being Seriously injured or killed ? His speedy reactions while violent were correct to stop 4 men on fulfilling their threat to -"just Shoot Him".  Had he been a  "real" Murderer he certainly didn't need to try and Murder 4 strong younger athletic  men while seated in his VW with his wife in the store and on his way home from a wedding.  So Your aggressive actions and violent threats screamed to a victim seated in a car next to you or in public can cause your own death. Suicide by Cop or Terrified Armed Floridian is just as deadly to yourself .Respect everyone and we all live in peace. Disrespect and cause fears in anyone and you can risk your life.

wcorbe
wcorbe

Another sum bag with a gun.

Alopat76
Alopat76

"The high-profile case is being compared to the trial of George Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin, both because of the invocation of the “Stand Your Ground” defense, and..."

George Zimmerman's lawyers did not invoke the “Stand Your Ground” defense. This is a myth that keeps getting repeated by the lemmings in the MSM.

RickyRicardo6666
RickyRicardo6666

George Zimmerman didn't invoke the Stand Your Ground defense... per usual a journalist who doesn't know what's going on.  This case is a waste of time and money, as there wasn't even a gun recovered.

smokEEg
smokEEg

AMERICA...PAY ATTENTION TO THIS CASE. DO NOT LET ANOTHER ANIMAL GET AWAY. 


pbc2130
pbc2130

After shooting in the other car multiple times, did he call the police? Did he try to see if someone was injured? No, he went home with his girlfriend and ordered a pizza.

Mary1
Mary1

Another power hungry idiot with a gun! This really upsets me that first off this occured and secondly dunn feels as if he acted rational.  Life in prison is the best punishment because I know this had to be a traumatizing event.  God forbids he is found not guilty.  He will be paranoid for life and will result to killing more innocent people due to his own insecurities.  This is a life lesson....YOU can only control YOU. Leave people alone and mind your own business.  I hope those inmates have fun with you dunn!

Mav
Mav

This case is not similar to the Martin case is really any way other than a kid was killed. George Zimmerman did not invoke the "Stand your Ground" law as defense. This is really shoddy journalism from what is supposed to be a respected news source. That is a truly irresponsible error in fact. In most publications that would be grounds for immediate termination.

But to the gentleman in this particular instance, that defense shouldn't work for him in this case, because that law states you have to have legitimate concern for your life and take reasonable steps to avoid the conflict before use of deadly force. Simply thinking there is a gun and opening fire isn't even a legitimate defense for US troops in a combat zone, so it definitely doesn't apply to convenience store parking lots.

Rooker
Rooker

this case bears a similarity as the the Zimmerman case.  A white man with a gun has the empowerment/courage to go to a black person and enforce what he deems is the "proper" code conduct.  It's a convenient store.  You tell someone to turn their music down, they'll tell you to STFU.  If you have a gun, then you feel the power of persuasion is on your side.  Escalation is inevitable.  With no gun, the annoying music plays on.  People can decide to come to the store or not  then it becomes the store owner's choice whose business he wants.

valerieh
valerieh

"I thought I saw a gun" is not a defense.  He's going down and rightfully so.

BorisIII
BorisIII

Sounds like one of those people that fantasize about killing someone and is always looking for the chance to kill someone.  Florida is turning into the old west.  Which I'm sure a lot of the dooms day prepares are happy about.

idiotbox
idiotbox

@amwelsh  nature killed the right kid...the one who said he  wasn't having it, Who invaded whos space? THe black boys with their music being shoved in a mans ear. Nothing about maturity.Tuff boy dead and its all his fault. See what thinking your a rap star will get cha? . Bet the other 3 will turn down the music from now

on.Some learn the hard way


RobertEckerstorfer
RobertEckerstorfer

@brotherstone427  Never told girl friend there was gun, Police never found gun. SO if I was an African American man and I see Mr. Dunn walking down a streeet because he is white and  shot a black man I am terrified and think my life is in extreme danger . I can kill Mr. Dunn . He didn't call 911, he didn't go to the police, he bought a pizza had some drinks. I am so affraid of this man that he might kill me I am going to find him and shoot him because I am afraid of him.

dasani
dasani

@brotherstone427 I think your answer to things is total bull.... He obviously had intentions of doing something to someone in the first place if he decided to have a gun in the car! Why is Florida so bad that people feel they have to walk around carrying firearms and taking the law into their own hands? Maybe that needs to be examined first. This man had several options. The loud music wasn't hurting him; he could have easily moved to a different section within the lot or went somewhere else entirely. You don't see the store attendant coming out, yelling, and telling them to turn their music down, so what right did he have? If that was the case and he felt it was a disturbance he could have 1# just left, 2# told the store attendant to see if they could have done something about it, 3# call the cops... All those seem like very simple solutions without the threat and need of violence. I'm so happy I don't live in Florida, which has to be one of the worst states in this country. You can't walk outside without having to fear that you might upset someone and get killed. All of it seems like senseless violence. What gets me about your post is you had the audacity to call this man a victim… Really? That hardly seems victim like if you’re yelling at the people next to you and telling them what to do in their own vehicle. Where was his fear then? He obviously didn't have any because most of us try to avoid strangers and potentially threatening circumstances. He saw an opportunity to kill and he did it. Simple as that!! This man deserves life in prison. It's pretty obvious he wasn't "shaken" up from the fact that he just killed someone. Either way I'm sure he knew he shot someone. If you do something like that you don't just flee the scene unless you know you’re guilty for doing something wrong. He even went home to eat! What does that tell you about your so called "non-murderer?"


kassandrainc
kassandrainc

@brotherstone427  It just doesn't always work for everyone is the problem. If Dunn was playing death metal loudly, and these boys told him to turn it down, he said 'up yours' they said 'up your mother's" then Dunn said "I will kill you!" then they shot Dunn?

This is so painful for me to realize how lopsided this "wild wild west, self help justice" is that I can only nervously laugh. I fear I could be killed by a white Floridian man using a rocket launcher on me up here in NY. And, I guess that's the point, fear the white man?

The Northeast isn't perfect but thank god I don't fear ANYONE but Wall Street Cronies! 

idiotbox
idiotbox

@wcorbe  they arent sure that dead blackboy had a gun or not....I agree though ,scumbag 

HeelsandHawkey
HeelsandHawkey

@Alopat76  Read the jury instructions, watch the juror interviews.  They both specifically said they used Stand Your Ground.  It is being discussed by MSM because IT WAS USED IN THE CASE.

HeelsandHawkey
HeelsandHawkey

@RickyRicardo6666 Read the jury instructions, watch the juror interviews.  They both specifically said they used Stand Your Ground.  It is being discussed by MSM because IT WAS USED IN THE CASE.


idiotbox
idiotbox

@pbc2130  celebrate! HAve a pie!...all american pass time....so?


HeelsandHawkey
HeelsandHawkey

@MavRead the jury instructions, watch the juror interviews.  They both specifically said they used Stand Your Ground.  It is being discussed by MSM because IT WAS USED IN THE CASE.

pbc2130
pbc2130

@Rooker - Well . . . in both instances the individuals could have let law enforcement handle the situation. Instead, they had a choice and both used their guns on individuals who were not armed.

idiotbox
idiotbox

@valerieh  the one down and rightfully so is the loud music,loud mouthed punk who wasnt having any of it,,,so his friends said. Death deserved,turn it down boys!

diehardamerican
diehardamerican

@valerieh  Wrong...Cops frequently use the "I thought I saw a weapon" excuse when involved in shooting someone. And they almost always get away with it....why? because they're cops?.. It shouldn't matter.

pbc2130
pbc2130

@valerieh After shooting multiple times, he went home with his girlfriend and ordered a pizza. He didn't even call the police and showed no concern whatsoever for anyone he may have harmed.

fafoxy11772
fafoxy11772

@valerieh  I hope he's found guilty of first-degree murder and executed.  The teen apparently was not armed, but even IF the guy saw a gun in his car, that is NOT a reason to open fire on a person, and\or murder them as this guy did.  Furthermore, instead of these capital case trials and appeals going on for years and sometimes decades, each state, and the federal government, should establish by law, special trial courts and special appeals courts that hear only capital cases.  This would greatly speed things up, and there is no reason why this cannot be done.  My condolences to the family and loved one's of the apparent murder victim here.

imani119
imani119

@idiotbox your IGNORANT.! It's racist people like yourself that make this world continue to not be United.!

WilliamGraves
WilliamGraves

@idiotbox @amwelsh  Just like your name, your an idiot. When did Dunn become a police officer and have the right to tell the boys to turn down there music. 90 to 95% of people in this country have been driving in a car while someone else was playing there music too loud, keep on driving or if you stop to go into the store, go in get your stuff and leave stupid. I see common sense does work for you...

idiotbox
idiotbox

@dasani  sounds like you need to be shot!No one has a right to shove gay ask hip slop down my ear drums. Turn it down or i will kick your ass too, His death taught your dumb ask nothing...What a waste...he died in vain..oh well we live to die another day!


southrealist
southrealist

@dasani  Honestly you have no idea what you're talking about. Among all the states Florida is ranked 4th for rape, murder, and kidnaps. Coming from a citizen of the state ranked 5th I can tell you that almost everyone down here carries a gun in their car, and why shouldn't they? The law states that our vehicles are extensions of our home. I live near a major university and I seriously can't count the amount of times my friends have been held up at gun point for their belongings.  I'm not saying I agree with what happened here, but don't go making ignorant statements about things you don't know about or cultures you haven't been around.

RichardStillman
RichardStillman

@HeelsandHawkey @Alopat76  

"George Zimmerman, set to stand trial in the 2012 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, on Tuesday waived his right to a "stand your ground" pretrial immunity hearing. Zimmerman's attorneys have decided they will try this as a self-defense case." ~ CNN, 5/1/13

But you should always question anything you read in the liberal 'news' media. So here is video in the courtroom showing Zimmerman as he waives his right to a SYG defense:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=zimmerman%20waives%20stand%20your%20ground&FORM=BVLH1#view=detail&mid=49EF67D7B93C0118217449EF67D7B93C01182174

Kind of hard to miss the fact that the defense had nothing to do with SYG law. Prattle on.

RichardStillman
RichardStillman

@HeelsandHawkey @RickyRicardo6666

"George Zimmerman, set to stand trial in the 2012 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, on Tuesday waived his right to a "stand your ground" pretrial immunity hearing. Zimmerman's attorneys have decided they will try this as a self-defense case." ~ CNN, 5/1/13

But you should always question anything you read in the liberal 'news' media. So here is video in the courtroom showing Zimmerman as he waives his right to a SYG defense:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=zimmerman%20waives%20stand%20your%20ground&FORM=BVLH1#view=detail&mid=49EF67D7B93C0118217449EF67D7B93C01182174

Kind of hard to miss the fact that the defense had nothing to do with SYG law. Prattle on.


RichardStillman
RichardStillman

@HeelsandHawkey @Mav

"George Zimmerman, set to stand trial in the 2012 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, on Tuesday waived his right to a "stand your ground" pretrial immunity hearing. Zimmerman's attorneys have decided they will try this as a self-defense case." ~ CNN, 5/1/13

But you should always question anything you read in the liberal 'news' media. So here is video in the courtroom showing Zimmerman as he waives his right to a SYG defense:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=zimmerman%20waives%20stand%20your%20ground&FORM=BVLH1#view=detail&mid=49EF67D7B93C0118217449EF67D7B93C01182174

Kind of hard to miss the fact that the defense had nothing to do with SYG law. Prattle on.

valerieh
valerieh

@idiotbox  I hate to dignify your remark with a reply, but I doubt that a court of law will see it like that.  If wishes could come true we'd all win the lottery, so wishing something on you is useless  I know, but I hope that someday you know what it's like to bury someone you love over something STUPID and senseless, hopefully one of your kids or grand kids.....and THEN I hope you see a comment where someone says that they DESERVED to DIE.  IDIOTBOX indeed.

valerieh
valerieh

@diehardamerican this is one of the worst miscarriages of justice that we face as a society today...rougue cops acting as judge, jury and executioner.  Their job is not to interpret the law or to impose it, but to enforce it, which is to apprehend the suspect and not to cause any further damage unless it cannot be helped while doing their duty as a cop.  Too often those in the position of authority cannot keep it from going to their head when they think that they can get away with it.  The sad part is that way too many of them do and that's why it keeps happening.  At least when dealing with a cop a person KNOWS that they have deadly force that they can and will use, unlike someone who carries a CONCEALED weapon.

HeelsandHawkey
HeelsandHawkey

@freddie.jenkins @valeriehAgreed.  Florida is twisted and as long as you claim you thought your life was in danger, you're golden. Doesn't matter if it was, it was only if YOU perceived it to be.  George Porgie knew what he was doing all along.  He knew how to work the system.  Florida's laws are so messed up.

valerieh
valerieh

@pbc2130  Those who show absolutely no regard for human life should not expect to have any   consideration given to their own.  Anything less than the death penalty sends a message that the victims of senseless crimes are expendable, but their killers are not.  I will never understand people who are against the death penalty for cold blooded killers, but in times of war, when the killing of innocent people happen with incredible frequency and even the killing of the "enemy" is condoned with flying colors because "war is a necessary evil" we support our troops whole    heartedly of course.   WHY on Earth, when we have domestic killers who prey on innocent members of society (who are no different than foreign terrorists in my opinion)  are we as a society so spineless when it comes down to what to do with them??  Where there is absolutely zero doubt, there should be a timely appeal and then if denied, then a swift execution.   Keeping them in cages for the rest of their lives serves only to punish society by funneling enormous amounts of good money away from the social services needed to provide communities with the wherewithal to provide kids with the education, tools, recreation and support that is needed for the prevention of developing criminal minds. 

valerieh
valerieh

@fafoxy11772  I have to say that I agree with you.  We need judicial reform as much as health care reform in this country.  I also feel that there should be no such thing as a "concealed" weapon.  If you have a permit to carry a weapon it should be out in the open where people can see it so that they know that if they are confronted by a person with a weapon and they respond to it that their response may be met with deadly force.

BMundane
BMundane

@RichardStillman @HeelsandHawkey@Alopat76 What you do not get is that SYG is a version of self-defense.  Notice that Zimmerman and his lawyers stated that they would win in any suit against Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon because he was acquitted. SYG provides that an acquitted  SYG defendant gets money damages if sued for wrongful death.  So, even though your Mr. Zimmerman did not ask for a hearing and dismissal re: SYG, pre-trial, that was a tactical strategy by his defense attorneys. If they had lost that motion, Zimmerman would have been precluded from claiming self-defense.  SYG was the essence of his defense without naming it.  If you need further instructions on the law itself, look for "Legalized Murder In Florida," which is due out in mid March on Amazon Ebooks.  I am sure you will be able to afford it: only $1.99. 


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