Mom Shoots Kids, Then Herself

Reportedly emailed her ex-husband and texted a cousin with her plans

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Greg Lovett / The Palm Beach Post / ZUMA Press

The home where Jennifer Berman, Alexander Berman and Jacqueline Berman were found dead in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Jan. 13, 2014.

A Florida woman who police say shot her two teenage children dead before killing herself Monday morning had sent her ex-husband an email saying she was doing the best thing for their family, and had texted her cousin that she planned to kill the kids.

Neighbors say Jennifer Berman was going through extreme financial and emotional stress throughout her divorce from the children’s father, Richard Berman, which was finalized last month. Jennifer Berman’s body was found Monday morning in their West Palm Beach home, along with the bodies of 16-year old Alex and 15-year old Jacqueline, NBC Miami reports. 

Richard Berman called 911 on Monday morning, fearing for his children’s safety after receiving the disturbing email from his wife. “She sent me an email that she did the best thing for our family. And then she sent her cousin a text that she was going to kill the kids and herself,” he said in the 911 call, which was released Tuesday.

But by the time he reached the house, it was too late. “I was just touching his head. He wasn’t waking up,” the father told 911 dispatchers. “His alarm was on, and there was blood in his ear.”

The Bermans reportedly had a long and acrimonious divorce process, beginning in 2008. Court records show that Jennifer Berman had filed for temporary alimony and child support, and that she asked a judge to kick her husband out of their home because of what she called extreme emotional abuse.

[NBC Miami]

47 comments
DeeDeeTrott
DeeDeeTrott

Everyone needs to go sign the PETITION asking Governor Rick Scott to PASS the Alimony Reform Bill. Also EVERYONE needs to see the movie DIVORCE CORP because it is a REAL EYE opener. I am saddened by the loss of these 2 children because it CLEARLY was not their fault. unfortunately dad wanted out of the marriage and mom should have communicated better with him to realize the time has come to MOVE ON. Some people unfortunately can't handle it and this is what happens. They think fighting in court for YEARS will help or somehow make them WHOLE. It NEVER EVER does. It only creates sickness and death as you can see.


I am a woman who was married for 17 Years and when my husband wanted out I let him out. My son was 5 years old and newly diagnosed with Leukemia, I had his 3 yr old brother and their 13 year old Mentally challenged sister. I was like WOW and my husband wants to leave US. What a Husband and Father. BUT I never had any thoughts of destroying him or our children. There is so much TIME and MONEY $$$ wasted in a divorce. You end up LOSING EVERYTHING. The Attorneys need to be paid so there goes all your furniture/assets/college funds for the kids, etc.. Is it really worth it in the end?? NO WAY.


I am saddened that this mom was truly a COWARD and she ONLY killed her kids to get back at DAD. I know that sounds HARSH but then we as citizens DO NOT want to hear the TRUTH. She could have just killed herself IF she felt that living and moving forward was going to be hard. What about those that lose EVERYHING in a Fire? What about those that lose a spouse do to an unforeseen death, like a killing/murder/burglary, etc.??? How do you think those Spouses move on? They do and it's hard but it's doable. Unfortunately this mom did not want to lose her LIFESTYLE and she could not imagine having to let people know now that she would be in an apartment/trailer/condo, etc... WHO CARES. Why do we CARE about what others think, why can't we be proud and move on in life and just be happy we are not dying of an illness like Cancer, and sometimes incurable. Don't you think those people would have LOVED to trade places with a person who KILLED themselves?? Hell yeah.


So let's not put blame on dad because it was NOT his fault, it sadly was MOMS FAULT. The kids paid the price and that is the HORRIBLE part. It's time we ALL woke up and realize this will NEVER stop until we STAND TOGETHER as one. It's time the Family Courts REALIZE we are mad and we want JUSTICE. It's time the Family Law Attorneys realize they are not going to live LAVISHLY off OUR life and OUR children's life. It's a money making scheme for them and they ENCOURAGE the fighting in a DIVORCE. $$$$$$$$$$$$ TALKS..


My boys are 13 and 16 and Honor Roll Students and my Mentally disabled daughter lives with her boyfriend in her own apartment. I am so PROUD of them and I am PROUD of myself for NOT allowing the Courts and Attorneys to DESTROY my life and my kids FUTURES. Now I FIGHT to SAVE them from a future of HELL if these LAWS DO NOT CHANGE. It is a MUST that ALIMONY REFORM PASSES IN 2014. This is a BEGINNING of what will happen in our future, especially for OUR CHILDREN if these laws are NOT changed.


If you or your Spouse wants OUT .. then by GOD LET THEM OUT. Don't you deserve better, don't you want to be happy, don't you want to spend quality time with your kids and love them dearly INSTEAD of having to LOSE ALL your money/furniture/time to strangers(Attorney's)?? Do you realize when you fight in court in front of a judge that the JUDGE was once an ATTORNEY? Do you realize these Attorneys are in Court ALOT and in front of the same judges and don't you stop to think what RELATIONSHIPS they must have over time? Well I learned first hand going through my boyfriends HORRIBLE 5 YEAR DIVORCE because NO MATTER what he offered his wife ($5600 Monthly) for 20 YEARS she wanted MORE.. She wanted $20,000 MONTHLY for her LAVISH lifestyle. Amazing and Shocking and Sad because her children paid the dear price and so didn't she and her ex. She ended up with $1500 Lifetime minus $525 Child support and strapped with over $100,000 in debt and no credit. Ex suffered the same way. So how do you pick up the pieces of your life after a 5 long year horrible battle and actually find love again and trust with someone and move on?


Funny how that Karma thing works because mom now states she can't find another guy to be with, wonder why? Google Horrible Divorce in Florida and you can READ maybe why. She is only after MONEY $$$ so would you as a man want a woman like this or someone who truly loves you and would be willing to walk away if she realized the love was gone. You can't FORCE someone to love you, it will NEVER work.


I PLEAD with everyone who will listen and I have written GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT about 20 times PLEADING with him to make a change by PASSING the Bill. He VETOED the bill in 2013 and my HEART broke. I said what am I to tell my boys now? Don't get married, don't have children, have your spouse sign a pre-nup? By God what do we do as parents who love our kids but realize the torture and hell they will go through IF this bill DOES NOT CHANGE?? I am stumped and saddened at the same time.


No one will EVER truly know how someone feels going through a divorce UNTIL you live through it yourself. I realized it when I was with my boyfriend because my divorce was in 2 Months and his was 5 LONG HORRIBLE YEARS of TORTURE and ABUSE and GAMES. The Attorneys and the Courts/psychiatrist/Custody Supervisor/Testing, etc.. BOTH Attorneys I am sure played the game behind the scenes to ENSURE the couples continued to fight so they could get more money through HUNDREDS of Court dates. How can a person take so much time off work and NOT lose their job because their spouse filed a court hearing? If you don't show up to court the spouse will win what she is fighting for and then you get a JUDGEMENT and if you don't pay you go to JAIL. You think this is crazy or unheard of? You are WRONG. You do and will go to JAIL if you don't abide by the COURT ORDER. So PLEASE go see DIVORCE CORP and then make up your OWN mind. Mine has already been made up that the COURT SYSTEMS ARE CORRUPT and unless we do something as a WHOLE our children and their families will continue to be tormented and this is truly heartbreaking.


Thank you for listening to me and you can find me on Facebook under Dee Dee Trott. I have nothing to hide I just want us to try and live a normal life and allow our kids to grow up and be upstanding citizens in our Future, don't YOU??


Love to you ALL and I am here if you want to talk or want insight to how BOTH sides of a DIVORCE really feel.



pspirer
pspirer

Your article regarding my dear friend's tragic circumstances is inaccurate. I grew up with Richard Berman and he is the kindest, most gentle soul I've had the good fortune to know.  At the end our your article you took court document testimony and tried to turn it into suspicions and accusations aimed at him.  If you think you are a reporter then do your homework.  Speak to the children's teachers, speak to people he worked with.   Speak to family members on both sides. Look at financial records. He gave everything he had to that family. I can tell you with certainty that Richard lived for his children and loved his wife despite the torture she put him through. She was not well. What mother would kill her own children? You may be motivated financially to dig dirt where it doesn't exist but you will have certainly sold your soul.

LeannBaxterThompson
LeannBaxterThompson

He killed them!!!! I cant believe he wasn't frantic about the messages! Like really! Not normal! So sad!!!!!!

Westmountgal
Westmountgal

There is the Greenspan effect. Couples went into debt to buy or build homes that are no longer worth the debt they carry. Florida was the hardest hit. Financial stress follows and then the ability to stay successfully married dissolves, rendering both parties and the custodial parent and family living much more stressful lives because divorce often doubles the household overhead when parents live apart. Child support payments based on shared custody are lower and that money is calculated to cover the costs associated with the children's needs. When the parents are both ordered to work to cover their needs and the economy in that area does not provide the income that is needed to support a household, post divorce poverty ensues. Divorces are ugly, messy public laundering of private nightmares and hatred grows to the point where one parent can hate the ex spouse more than they love their children. In a gun culture we will blame the gun but in reality a distressed parent can find a way to end their lives and in this case their children's lives. Isolation and anxiety and improper consumption or failure to take any kind of medication or drugs correctly can contribute to catastrophic unclear thinking in anyone. In a world like Palm Beach where high standards of living and spending were impacted by Madoffs' destruction of family empires, where wealth disappeared and generations of family members were left penniless, there is disbelief and a lag in the acceptance of the new financial reality that is Palm Beach society today. Gone is the splendor of mega wealth that was evident before this financial crisis and the mishandling of it by governments at all levels. No one should judge the dead, just pray for their souls. 2007 began the perilous spiral of financial destruction of the American economy. No one knows what went on in this woman's mind. No one suspected this degree of distress and hopelessness in her life and the result is devastation in the community that thought that they knew her. Horrified friends and neighbors are wondering what they could have done, they who watched as Alex and Jackie became their community's pride and joy. Reach out to those who are suffering the horrors of divorce. Don't take sides, just be there for all of the families that are crying out silently for help. There is no shame in trying to survive a bad economy. All families need courage and help, however it takes resources to help those families through the transition. There is an adjustment period and in these days, economic recovery is sometimes so sporadic. If families could be given relief from the financial impact of the crimes committed by those who destroyed the real estate sector by selling mortgage assets that were worthless, pushing false mortgages on consumers, this case may not be here today, the result of financial disintegration. When two parents can make a good living and support their families, the chances of divorce decrease, the chances of mental stress and the nervous disorders that follow are lower. Please take the negative energy of judging Richard or Jennifer Berman and turn it into prayer for his future, for her soul, for the souls of her children. There are so many ways to be tempted to try to be the one who knows what happened when in fact there is only one reality, the inability to turn back time and stop this terrible end to a family trying to survive divorce in a bad economy. These children lost their lives when they had a future that was brilliant with promise if not wealth. Money isn't everything. Love is worth millions if only there is hope. God forgive Jennifer Berman for her mortal sin and bless this family and the souls of Alexander and Jacquelin in Heaven, Amen.           

keytoarson
keytoarson

Obviously an unthinkable tragedy that sadly, we're all too familiar with. I listened to the 911 tapes and what I found a little disturbing is the fact that the father was afraid to go into the house and lingered in front of the house. He eventually had a neighbor run in there to check on the family.


I'm not a father but if my two kids were in any kind of danger and I knew of all the communication sent by the wife about putting the kids in danger, absolutely nothing would stop me from bull-rushing into that house to save the children - even if my life was at stake.


It's hard to put yourself in one's shoes, especially during a tragedy but one thing I know for sure - I would put my life on the line for my children.


Edit: Here's the link to the 911 call: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/01/16/drew-ex-wife-911-call.hln.html

jmsef49
jmsef49

Shame on that Father also, for refusing support for his own children!!!!!! Obvious he pushed her over the edge! 

Sadinfla
Sadinfla

abbylane. My father also cheated on my mother and they had a terrible divorce and bad mouthed each other. This man in the decades I have known him never spoke Ill of Jennifer or aired their dirty laundry. He was respectful. She had no qualms of disparaging him and boasting of her drug use. I started to feel bad for him very early in the marriage when it became crystal clear what type of woman she was. I never got the impression that she loved him as much as his ability to provide for her. Please don't assume. The fact is that she murdered her children and there is no excuse in the world that can mitigate the horror of that act. Her selfishness knew no bounds.

Sadinfla
Sadinfla

Leoni, so sorry for your circumstances. I sincerely hope that you will find happiness again. However, your empathy is misplaced. Jennifer was abusing drugs decades ago when they were wealthy. She never felt she had enough. What people don't know is that she got alimony, child support and the proceeds from the sale of the home that they had purchased from her parents to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars. Her 12 hour shift job was sleeping at an elderly neighbors house to make sure they were ok through the night. She would have been more than fine financially but that was not enough. Richard is not a cheating husband quite the opposite. He is a mild mannered educated man who put up with a lot from her and to my knowledge did not cheat on her. She cared about no one and in the end she didn't even care about the children or the promising future they would have had. Again, she is not worthy of your empathy just as she wasn't worthy of that husband or those beautiful children.

leoni.watson
leoni.watson

My divorce was finalised in November.  My ex husband had an affair for 2 years with a 25 year old and a child was born.  I was devastated.  I loved him very very much. I have two teenagers and sometimes I feel I can't cope.  I have wished to be dead so many times I can't even count it on my two hands anymore.  After Christmas he failed to pay maintenance and had some fake story about buying a farm in Botswana (probably so that his new family can live there).  He earns four times more than what I do.  Now the kids and I must suffer because he doesn't have money this month to pay maintenance.  Whether this woman was crazy and selfish, I don't know.  I know I'm not but I was diagnosed with depression major a couple of years ago.  My ex husband couldn't handle it and he had the affair.  I would never kill myself or my kids but I can relate to the financial and emotional pressure that go with a divorce.  I am helpless.  I don't think anyone can judge the situation of someone else until you've been there and experienced what they have. 

Sadinfla
Sadinfla

I happen to know the family for over 20 years. This man is a very decent and loving father. She was an absolute monster, a money hungry, drug addicted nightmare of a wife. He is the one who put up emotional abuse from this lying crazy woman. She was a selfish only child. Her mother used to work for Mrs. Burdines who was very generous and would give her and her mother very nice things. She expected and demanded those nice things from Richard who is an excellent architect. The only thing this woman ever did right was produce those talented and studious children who were their father's pride and joy. He posted daily on Facebook about them videos of all their concerts. She posted about all the men she was hanging out with. She was in search for the next sugar daddy but unfortunately I believe the search fell short. She not only killed her beautiful children but she texted him so he would go over and probably would have killed him too but he didn't see it right away. Please don't give any credence to unsworn testimony in court records from a liar. He took excellent care of his children but I imagine that anything that went to her was quickly spent on partying and drugs. What added to her depression was that she no longer had the funds to buy drugs. Anyone who has been through a divorce knows what it entails and the back and forth. She is a murderer burning in hell. The children are angels in heaven. And in the end, she killed him too because he will never recover from this loss and the trash that people who don't know him are saying. It is a tragedy for the entire family and very very sad.

luneseven
luneseven

He was a wonderful father, a good provider, loving husband that has been smeared in our local media just to make the story more popular.  The facts remain that the mother's mental condition deteriorated to the point that she killed her precious kids and that no one could foresee this tragedy.

She had no  close family, but many friends who would have intervened had she shown any signs of being a danger to her children. The loss of her parents, the financial troubles that hit the construction industry, and the collapse of her marriage were cause of tremendous stress for her. But things had started to look better, she had recently sold her home and came into some money that would have enabled her to start a new life. And who knows, perhaps she could have reignited the love of her husband like she wanted to,  Still, she seemed paralyzed with fear and anxiety.. We know now that the problem was much deeper, that her neediness and excessive demands masked a much horrific break with reality.

Two wonderful kids and their mother are dead, that is the sad, sad story.

Yes I knew them , I know him. I'm  one of the close friends  hit by this unimaginable tsunami of pain.

All I wish for now is that the memory of the departed and the life of the survivor are treated with fairness and the utmost compassion.

People, this is a colossal tragedy. 




mark2083
mark2083

Eh.........Just another day in Florida.

kteofil
kteofil

In the updates to the investigation, the Police state the email was sent  to the father an hour before he called 911.

Openminded1
Openminded1

The stupid bitch good have killed herself, why take the kids with her, selfish nut wanted to hurt the ex-husband so she kills his kids. What is in the water in Florida with their over abundance of nut cases.

CrossWinds
CrossWinds

Sadly, many divorces leave one parent under financial stress, as the parent with the deepest pockets can outspend the other in lawyers and court costs. Some spouses drag out the process, trying to get the other parent to give up, because they run out of money. They hope the other spouse will give up on custody issues as well. It can be a hellish scenario, as I've seen this devilish plot in action in divorces. A selfish spouse will use the kids as pawns in their game, tearing hearts apart. And crazy enough, its usually the cheating spouse that ends up using these cruel tactics in the divorce. If your one of these cruel selfish people, remember how the other spouse served and loved you in your marriage. Be fair in your divorce. God will bring every action into judgement, and knows your every thought and intent of your heart. If your an innocent victim in this divorce, and feel you can't take anymore financial stress, affidavits and letters from lawyers, put your trust in Jesus Christ, who loves you, and died for your sins on the Cross, then rising from the dead. He know your concerns. Ask Him into your life, and join a good Bible teaching Church, where you can get people praying for you and your situation. Don't try and handle it alone. To the cruel spouse, God knows the evil thoughts and intents of your heart. Gods justice grinds infinitely slow, but infinitely fine.......If you wan't to go to Hell, keep it up. For the cruel will not enter Heaven.........


Malachi 2:14.........


Because the Lord has been witness
Between you and the wife of your youth,
With whom you have dealt treacherously;
Yet she is your companion
And your wife by covenant.





jas625080
jas625080

@LeannBaxterThompson

He killed them! You crazy fool. It's a shame you weren't the ex-wife's roommate and only occupant in the house with her!

Sibir_Russia
Sibir_Russia

@keytoarson  

Russia adopted a law on prohibition of propaganda of homosexuality among minors.

If you as a father decided to save children from homosexual propaganda, for example, in Germany, you will have problems with the law and perhaps you land in prison.

Many children's father Eugen M. came in prison for his daughter, a student of grade 4 missed 2 lessons of the so-called sexuality education. Themselves outraged parents called these lessons outright pornography, which is spread very young children.

As it turned out, this is not the only case in Germany. Many Germans, who do not wish to have their children from the 4th class studied pornographic material at school, to they surprise found that so-called laws of tolerance shall not apply.

Europeans must democratic law to be tolerant to the public manifestation of sodomy, but their are persecuted and imprisonedfor trying to protect their children from pornography in school.

Europe is discussing the legalization of incest.
"The new gender community", as they call themselves require legalization incest in Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland.

Deputy of the Riksdag (the Swedish Parliament) of the social Democrats offers legalize incest in Sweden. Member of the Parliament of Sweden Monica Grønn believes that incest should be legal. Article: Danish politicians recognize incest - "gender norm"

Legalization incest - conquest of winning in Scandinavia liberal revolution, said in a programmatic article Scandinavian neoliberals

"Incest"...with such name will be the software in all primary schools in Norway. This was stated by Minister of children and gender equality in Norway on national TV.

In the USA there is the organization of "B4U-ACT", which purpose is legalization of pedophilia, informs Lifesitenews.
The citizen of France Frank Talle was detained by the police during a picnic in the Luxembourg Garden in Paris. The reason of detention was his t-shirt, which depicts the traditional family

Children are the future. I think we should fight for the future of our children.

 

jas625080
jas625080

@jmsef49

You are an absolute moron. What half wit bozo believes everything he/she reads in these sensational articles. I have know the husband for over 40 years. He has never defamed his ex-wife to me. I love the way lobotomized, judgmental, wannabe philosophers can justify the greatest betrayal on earth - a biological mother slaughtering their children. Do me a favor and sterilize yourself or have the guts to end your pathetic life!  

octuplet
octuplet

@leoni.watsonThere are millions of women raising children on their own. And the majority of them live below the poverty level. Many of them are working two jobs to make ends meet. And many of the younger ones don't have the father of their children in their lives. Yet they go on. They live happy productive lives. How in the world can you relate to a murderer? It is called loving your kids, and building a life together with them. It is not the job of the father to keep a previous wife and kids in the style prior to their divorce. No matter how much money the man makes. He has moved on and it is time for you to do the same, for the sake of your kids. No kids need a depressed mom around.

GraceOpus
GraceOpus

@Sadinfla You are a despicable, pathetic and ignorant individual.  I recommend you take a long look at yourself, your family and your issues before you start throwing stones.  You don't know what went on behind closed doors because clearly you were only "friends" with the husband and not the wife.  You clearly harbor a very deep hatred for her and are using this tragedy as your outlet to slander and defame someone who cannot speak her truth.  Just as you are asking others not to believe what you call her "lies" I believe that people are smart enough to not believe yours.  

octuplet
octuplet

@SadinflaVery well put!!! Agreed!! I don't know this woman, only what I have read, but for someone to murder innocent children is horrendous. She did it to be spiteful, and it seems plausible that it was done during a drug filled rage. How tragic for those children and their dad. There will never be a reason, not ever, for murdering children. If there is a hell her children are in heaven looking down at her, burning in hell. May the two children rest in peace. May God be with this father to help him through an unimaginable tragedy, caused by a selfish sick woman.

DutchJameson
DutchJameson

@Sadinfla sadly, this is  essentially the truth.  a very troubled woman, who's final act was horrific and unspeakable.

abbylane1111
abbylane1111

@Sadinfla - how do you know that this wasn't all viscous lies told by the husband?  My father lied so cleverly about my mother that he had her own parents believing the lies about her.  Whats worst is he convinced me of them and it wasn't until I was an adult, that I discovered the truth. My poor mother, made out to be a crazy and lazy woman, when nothing was further from the truth.  The anger about what my father did still leaves me very angry and hurt until this day.  He did all of that because he didn't like all the responsibility of being a father, all the time and all the money. He put all of those pressures onto my mother, wouldn't even give her enough money for groceries.   He didn't want to look like the bad guy because he cared what people thought about him.  For whatever reason, it is very easy for a man to convince others that his wife is crazy. It's very easy for narcissist to do this.  We as educated people, need to stop believing things like this so fast without questioning the facts that are being given.  Don't just believe a man (whether he is your family or friend) because he is good looking, charming, calm , speaks well and has a good job.  None of these things makes a person a good person and doesn't mean he is telling the truth.  These type of men are very, very, tricky.   He very well could have pushed her over the edge.

sweetcharmrn
sweetcharmrn

@luneseven No kidding.. a public lynching of Mr. Bergman in the initial articles. Im glad to see this posted.

sweetcharmrn
sweetcharmrn

@luneseven The initial stuff coming out was absolutely horrible regarding Mr. Bergman - the articles in the UK were downright offensive.  They both were BROKE!!!

abbylane1111
abbylane1111

@luneseven if she had no family and was struggling so badly, especially teenagers need BOTH parents more than any other age because they can become out of control and so much to handle for one person, then why oh why did he leave her in such dire straights?

notLostInSpace
notLostInSpace

@Openminded1   Jump to conclusions much?  What is in the water of Fl is a profound love of the gun culture, combined with huge amount of poverty, ignorance, poor education, over matched social services.  You don't know that she was selfish or stupid.   I'd suggest she was mentally ill and clearly desperate.  Your comment is really quite offensive, which I'm sure was your intention.

notLostInSpace
notLostInSpace

@CrossWinds  You made those conclusions based on that article?  You don't know that either of them was cruel.  Seems that the woman was, at the least, mentally unbalanced (a speculation based on her ultimate final decisions).  People with mental issues "see" things that are not true.  A lot of families are just making it with a two earner income, perhaps (I'm speculating) that when you try to fund two households (rents, utilities, insurance, food, etc.) there was no money left.  She kicked him out.   What about judges that routinely give the children to the mother?  I think there are a lot of real unknowns here.  

Cu4urself
Cu4urself

Shame on you! If you have in fact been friends with the father for 40+ years then I would like to think that you would have also been in the wife's and the kids' lives-therefore why would you choose those words as your ending statement? The words you chose to use were disgusting and makes it where outsiders question your intent. Why are you so outraged but yet use words that are very related to this case in such a nonchalant manner?? The wife unfortunately must have had those types of guts that you speak of in order to do the possible thing.

DawnClabaugh
DawnClabaugh

@octuplet@leoni.watsonWords are easy, especially judgmental ones. My ex filed for divorce three years ago and ordered me out of the house. He had also begun an affair ... when he ran away for the weekend, after pretending to go to work, but was discovered instead ... I was joyful and exuberant!! I had been getting feelings of depression; probably wasn't helpful that he was screaming and being temperamental, for months ... as for "moving on" ... in this case, it was necessary - for him. Turns out he had a problematic fondness for gambling and needed more funds ... though he insisted that actually, he had met his "true, mature" love. Right. He has been the angriest man "in love" that I have ever met ... and people who DO love don't treat people like they are expendable, if they choose to end their marriage due to a mistake in their own judgment! Anyway, "depression" can be any one of numerous things ... it is not one thing ... nutritional deficiency can cause symptoms, for example. "Burnout" (stress exhaustion) resembles depression but it is not ... and some spouses carry well over their share of the load, some without realizing it. Personally, I can easily relate to what Leoni states and how she feels. It may not be "the job of the father to keep a previous wife and kids in the style prior to their divorce", but there are legal ramifications to divorce, as well as to marriage. If you want to play, you need to pay. It's disgusting enough to note that there are millions of women, the majority below poverty level, raising children on their own ... but it is more disgusting to think that this should "remain as is" or even worse, become something to emulate or hold out as a model of "achievement" to women. Yes, they go on. But how can you state that they live happy, productive lives? Do you have credible evidence the majority do? Maybe that is how Leoni, and others - myself included - can "relate" to a murderer. Not in entirety ... sounds like this woman was better off, in many ways, than I am ... but when you are being wronged and nobody cares ... when you realize that, since nobody cares, this could be the fate of your own children in future ... yeah, maybe then you can relate, But you miss the point ... relating is not the same. Leoni and many others DON'T do this, despite the callous indifference shown to their plights. It's a sad situation when the only time people take note, particularly the press, is AFTER the tragedy ... most don't need to get anywhere near the point the do.

octuplet
octuplet

@abbylane1111You are projecting on others what you perceive your father's "wrong doings" as told to you by your mom, or whomever. This person knew this family, and you did not. The only "narcissist" is the one who took the lives of these two innocent children, because things did not go her way. A narcissist believes they are the center of the world. In the end this woman's dastardly and evil actions shows that she was the one with the diabolical, sociopathic personality, not her husband. There is never justification for murder, and taking the lives of children is one of the worst crimes ever.

DutchJameson
DutchJameson

@abbylane1111 - uh, like the person said, they knew the family.  so did i.  why don't you take your own personal experience, as if this had anything to do with you, stop telling us about it in the wake of this tragedy, and crawl back under your rock.

DawnClabaugh
DawnClabaugh

@sweetcharmrn@lunesevenThat part is not really surprising. Divorce in the U.S. has a tendency to do that; if one person or the other is unreasonable or irrational, they can pretty easily force the other to spend money on legal and other (otherwise unnecessary) expenses.

octuplet
octuplet

@abbylane1111@luneseven@abbylane1111 Who cares what her financial situation was? That is not relevant. There are two dead children and that is all that counts. If she was so miserable she should have taken her own life, she had no right to take the lives of those two beautiful children. You need to stop justifying the actions of a two time murderer because you hate your father. Maybe you need to go to psychotherapy anytime that you can have empathy for a woman who can murder her own kids.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@notLostInSpace @Openminded1 Selfish without a doubt. Of course mental, you have to be to kill your own children moron. Offensive to you so what, who the hell are you? She was a selfish mixed up nut case, who did not care about her kids in the end enough to spare them. She wanted to make a statement to her husband and deprive him of his children that is selfish and crazy . If you want to kill yourself go ahead do not take the kids with you.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

notLostInSpace
notLostInSpace

@vrcplou @Openminded1 @notLostInSpace  I think anyone that kills someone else (except in true defense of  a person's life, or in the case of war) is mentally ill, even if that doesn't meet some clinical description.  If the post by kteofil is true, the the father waited an hour, then he's psycho too!

Openminded1
Openminded1

@vrcplou @Openminded1 @notLostInSpace As an retired cop, i assure the fathers are labeled the same way. A recent case in Phoenix Az, the father killed his son, he was labeled the same way. The sadness  is for the family that is still alive..

vrcplou
vrcplou

@Openminded1 @notLostInSpace I wonder if we would be so quick to use the "mental illness" tag if the father had been the one to pull the trigger.  We often give women a pass by labeling them "mentally ill" when they do things like this (which they obviously are) whereas a man commits the same act and he's simply labeled a murderer/abuser.

I feel sad for this whole family.


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