Movie Theater Shooting Victim: ‘I Can’t Believe I Got Shot’

Suspect denied bail on second-degree murder charges

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Chris O'Meara / AP

A Pasco County sheriff's deputy stands guard outside the driveway to the Cobb theater on Jan. 14, 2014, in Wesley Chapel , Fla.

A former police officer accused of shooting a man dead for texting in a Florida movie theater on Monday was denied bail when he appeared in court Tuesday to face second-degree murder charges.

Curtis Reeves, 71, allegedly began arguing with Chad Oulson when the 43-year old father was using his phone during the previews before the Lone Survivor at a theater in Wesley Chapel, Fla. Witnesses say Reeves left the theater to complain to a manager, but returned even more irritated, CNN reports. Oulson told Reeves he was just texting his young daughter, but the fight escalated. According to the police report, Oulson threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves, and then Reeves shot him with a .380 semi-automatic handgun.

Both men were sitting with their wives. Oulson’s wife Nicole held up her hand to protect her husband when Reeves pulled out his gun, and but the bullet went through her hand and into her husband’s chest.

One witness heard Oulson say “I can’t believe I got shot” as blood started to come out of his mouth, CNN reports.

Some shocked witnesses apprehended Reeves after the shooting, while others performed CPR on Oulson until paramedics arrived. Oulson eventually died at the hospital.

Reeves, who was a captain in the Tampa police department until 1993 and later directed security at Busch Gardens, was charged with second-degree murder. He told police he fired his weapon at the victim because he was “in fear of being attacked,” according to the police report.

A judged denied him bail.

[CNN]

63 comments
JulieButcher
JulieButcher

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GregBoman
GregBoman

Typical cop acting like a typical bully prick who is upset that his orders are not being followed.

Nothing new here.  ONly reason why he will be convicted is because there were witnesses.  Now imagine getting pulled over by a uniformed cop and you throw popcorn at him from the drivers seat.  He shoots you dead, plants a weapon or says you attacked him.  No witnesses and the cop will be back on duty after  a "BS investigation by internal affairs."

Don't think it does not happen all the time folks because it does.  Good cops are the exception-NOT THE RULE

tsvskibum
tsvskibum

Guns:  A stupid fight between two jerks escalated into a deadly force situation.  This tragedy could have easily ended if one of them would have backed down.  Where are we, the wild west? Maybe so.


One of the participants should have known better, he was a Cop.  When a gun is involved all confrontations no matter how trivial at the start become mortally serious at the end.

RogerPrescott
RogerPrescott

OK - we get it.


There are you gun nuts, there are you anti-gun nuts.  There are you cop haters, and cop lovers.


Reese was an old man with a gun.  After his cop career, headed up security for a major amusement park.  The gun empowered him to go face to face with an idiot 30 years younger. The idiot didn't believe his obnoxious behavior was going to get him shot dead.


Moral of story - guy who lived his life with a gun at hand finally used it.  It didn't have to be that way.


Two lives ended.

TomDavis1
TomDavis1

sad how many cops ad ex cops are idiots

JustinCase777
JustinCase777

OK, Here is a scenerio for you to think about, People Kill People : People can and will use anything to kill other people if they are so amind to, He could have pulled out a knife and stabbed the guy,( so are we going to outlaw knives next ?) he could have waited till after the movie and ran him over in the parking lot with his car(OK lets outlaw cars because they are evil and cars are such killers), he could have done this in any number of ways so if everytime somebody gets killed with a gun why is it the guns fault ?? HELLO its the KILLERS fault, his method is of little consequence and remember that in a society where guns are outlawed then ONLY outlaws will have them....... Bad people will always find a way to do whatever they want to do including having guns.  A well armed Society that can protect and defend themselves will prevail and keep the outlaws and crazies at bay, ask any police officer if he can protect every citizen in this country.... He will laugh, it is ludacris to think that they can. Every citizen is liable for his/her personal safety most of the time and when trouble comes you should be prepared to defend yourself. Yes this situation was way out of hand and tragic with senseless loss of life, but the gun cant act by itself, it is a static object that only works when manipulated by a Person, like a knife,car, etc.   Just my .02 cents

LongHornSurfer
LongHornSurfer

You go to the movies to relax and,  increasingly it seems, you might also be shot, be killed, or go to prison for life. 

If you intend to text or talk above the objections of others, you might consider a "conceal and carry" so that if someone wants to take issue you will not find that you have brought a tongue knife to a gun fight. 

What a tragic chain of events. I feel for all and all their loved ones, but why did it have to happen? 

How long before having more than 10 items in a "ten items or less" lane gets you shot?

Why wait in line at all? Just cut to the front of the line, there isn't a law against "cutting",  you're a super important person with very important things to do; the fact that some psycho with a concealed weapon might shoot you should not prevent you from your rights! After all, that's why we have laws, right? If there is no law against it, it's your right to act in accordance with your own personal rights.

Imagine the days of the "Wild West' or the Burr-hamilton Duel when there were no laws against guns or even shooting someone for committing a "slight". At least we've progressed from those backwards times towards a day when every action is codified like the movie "Demolition Man" and there is a law and camera for every transgression and "the trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, ax and sword".  What a non-dys, you-topian world that will be. 

Just keep in mind that of the $1.1 trillion budget in debate in the US Congress, $546 billion of your tax dollars is for "Defense" spending -and they ain't buying much butter with all that bread. 


RogerPrescott
RogerPrescott

Big shot Daddy has to text his 3 YEAR OLD? 


Old man behind him says please stop.  Big shot Daddy says go screw yourself.  Old man goes out and - well maybe he complained or maybe he didn't I don't know we know, at this point.


Big shot Daddy goes hyper.  Old man puts one in his chest.


Some people earn their own death - it's called stupid.  Stupid happens all the time.


Don't get me wrong - gun nutz are pretty stupid, too.

betty.yutzy
betty.yutzy

drag out his intestines and let em drap across the front yard of the courthouse for all to see , and let him rot b4 he dies ! i'm sick to death of this craziness !  cops , former cops , just slaughtering our citizens . folks will think twice if he gets a good execution out of this behavior . kill every one of them that cross the line of decent law abiding law enforcement officers .

trapp416
trapp416

The elephant in the room is: Guns are needed to defend against people with guns? Why? The man in the seat next to the offender, an off-duty deputy, was able to disarm the shooter immediately after the shooting without resorting to the use of a firearm. Think about it.

JimKendall
JimKendall

Precisely the behavior we have come to expect from the deep-South, particularly Florida and Texas; where there's corruption behind every BUSH.

MichaelKribbs
MichaelKribbs

" Reeves has deep ties to the community, attends church regularly "

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Yet he seems sad when being arrested.

Did the community or church teach him killing a man for childish reasons is good ?

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Thomas Trumble False Arrest 

http://michaelleekribbs.blogspot.com/2012/06/thomas-trumble-false-arrest.html

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Escobar called Reeves "a great man," referring to his law enforcement career. 

He acted out of fear of being attacked. 

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Why did this so called brave man fear a bag of pop corn ?

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Florida Neighborhood Watch

http://michaelleekribbs.blogspot.com/2012/10/florida-neighborhood-watch.html


ScallywagNYC
ScallywagNYC

One has to wonder what to make of a former police cop who (incidentally started the Tampa Police Department’s SWAT team) comes to a movie showing with a loaded gun? How much sympathy can Reeves expect to receive from the courts? It’s not like he was on security watch, on duty, protecting his property, reacting to imminent danger (unless loud text noises now constitute imminent threats).


Then again there is the prevailing view from many that one should be allowed to bear arms at any moment and at any time. Which raises the question do we really want a society where violence is always one argument, misunderstanding, temper tantrum,  one hurt ego away?


http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/01/curtis-reeves-invoke-stand-ground-chance/

yellowbal
yellowbal

Most concealed weapons training classes say that when you're carrying, always back down, always be willing to lose any arguments to deescalate situations. Your ultimate goal is never needing to unholster your gun. This power-tripping fool is giving all weapon carriers a bad name. 

Hollywooddeed
Hollywooddeed

Good.  Wimpy murderers should be denied bail.

StephenGrange
StephenGrange

Only way popcorn threatens one's life is if you eat it..


But this IS Florida...So it's a 50/50 proposition that he will get away with it.....

StephenDing
StephenDing

being old and cranky is no excuse for taking out a gun and shoot people because you can. If that's the case, there would be a shooting just about every other day

psatravel
psatravel

I can only ask, what  did  you expect would happen as a result  of "stand your ground" laws?

NebuchadnezzarII
NebuchadnezzarII

Well. Now we know why they play the stupid little cartoon about turning off your cell phones before the movie. Before the gun ban whackos fly off the wheel on this for whatever reason, just bear in mind that if the "victim" had just took a moment to mind his manners, then this wouldn't have happened. I would call this a good lesson on why we have manners in the first place; to keep us from killing one another.

Swaffman
Swaffman

@JustinCase777 You can't be serious with this comment. WITHOUT THE GUN HE DOESN'T GET SHOT. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Yeah, he could have possibly found another way to kill him, but a gun is so easy, so quick and so lethal. It's a heck of a lot harder to stab a person to death than shoot a person to death. Maybe if he had to get in close enough to stab him, the man 30 years his minor would have had a chance to defend himself. And if he had to go all the way to the car to get his gun, maybe he would have thought better of it and stopped instead of making a heat-of-the-moment decision that will forever destroy at least 2 lives.

Your argument is so illogical it defies words. I can't believe you used that many words to make such an asinine point. 

Swaffman
Swaffman

@RogerPrescott Isn't STUPID the one who overreacted to the texting, started a fight about it and then shot a guy because he thought popcorn endangered his life? Who was the stupid one here? And are you actually saying that he deserved to get shot for texting during previews?

HateToSayItbut
HateToSayItbut

@betty.yutzy  I am so glad we could stop this craziness and slaughter and move to something sweet and pretty like living disembowelment and displaying corpses. Because the dark ages were so much more civilized. My god! Do you people even think these things out first or just start mashing keys?

rar113
rar113

@ScallywagNYC He'll receive plenty of sympathy from the courts -- this is Florida.  Have you ever been attacked by a bag of popcorn?  Suppose an unpopped kernel gets in your eye?!?!  Do you think movie theaters use Orville Redenbacher?

herbalmagick
herbalmagick

@ScallywagNYC The right to carry a concealed weapon is not a "prevailing  view".  It's the law in all 50 states.  Holders of a concealed carry permit are one-third as likely as the average citizen to commit any crime and one-seventh as likely to commit a violent crime.  Alarmists predicted blood running in the streets before each state legalized concealed carry.  After 20 years, it simply has not come to pass.

mosahlah
mosahlah

@StephenGrange ridiculous. He's going to spend the rest of his short life in jail or prison, or a hospital. 

mosahlah
mosahlah

@StephenDing Cops, especially veterans, don't generally do that. This is highly unusual and I wouldn't be surprised if they find a medical condition that affected his mental condition. 

AndrewBassett
AndrewBassett

@psatravel What a stupid comment. "Stand your ground" does not mean "You can kill anyone you want for any reason".

Openminded1
Openminded1

@psatravel The law had nothing to do with this shooting ,this was a 71 year old man who snapped, who happen to be caring a gun.

AndrewK777
AndrewK777

@psatravel 

If you are involved in the creation and escalation of a situation, you should not be able to use that BS defense. 

RobertaCasperWatson
RobertaCasperWatson

@NebuchadnezzarII I always thought the turn-of-your-phone message was so that it wouldn't disturb people by ringing during the movie.  I can understand how people wouldn't want to hear cell phones ringing, and I can understand why people don't want to hear other people's conversations.  But texting?  How does one person's texting bother anybody else?  How do you even know someone is texting unless you're looking around to make sure nobody is texting?

StephenDing
StephenDing

@NebuchadnezzarII but the man who carried the firearm could have politely said "get off your phone" or just switch a seat. And why the hell was he carrying a gun in the first place? you don't need a gun to watch a movie

AndrewK777
AndrewK777

@NebuchadnezzarII 

If the gun touting maniac wasn't a psycho, he wouldn't have shot anyone.  But that's the problem with the gun toters isn't it? They are little, insignificant people who think they need a firearm so they can feel more like a man.

HateToSayItbut
HateToSayItbut

@Swaffman@RogerPrescott No my friend, they were both wrong. A lot of people here are asking the question "what is wrong with this country?". Well the answer is far simpler than you may think. it is as simple as the idea of traffic laws.

Traffic laws? How could that be the related to this? Well allow me to explain; with an invisible show of hands everyone raise one if you have ever been pulled over for not signalling a lane change... how about for not turning into the right hand lane? These very simple laws are ignored by most of Americans. the reason they ignore them is because no one ever gets pulled over for them. So why should they follow that rule? That is our mentality.


How that transfers to what we are talking about here is about how this all began in the first place. One person broke a simple rule because he figured no one would ever be able to stop him from doing it. When confronted about it by someone he did not apologize or admit his error but instead felt empowered by the fact that he couldn't actually be stopped from doing it. This in turn led to the other person feeling that he deserved justice... HE deserved it! 


This man in his also foolishly empowered state thought that the powers that be would help him. When they did not he felt slighted and went back to the situation with his anger at the forefront of his mind. Had he not done that and had the other idiot not tried to restart the argument when he returned it may have well been over. 


A person is dead because of some very simple little catalysts. All of which are caused by this stupid idea that we have lately that if no one can stop me than I must be ok to do it. It was a lack of personal responsibility on both of their parts that caused this death. One should have manned up and admitted he should have been polite enough to step outside to text and another should have accepted that justice is not for your personal gratification... that is called vengeance and is a totally different monster.

Bullsgt
Bullsgt

@herbalmagick @ScallywagNYC   Unfortunately it did happen this time. For whatever reason Mr. Reeves felt the need to pull his weapon and fire Mr. Oulson would be alive if there was no conceal/carry law.


ScallywagNYC
ScallywagNYC

@herbalmagick @ScallywagNYC 


And what is the likelihood of someone who carries a concealed weapon in a facility where it is forbidden to bring such instruments in using them? 


Aren't we dealing here with a certain segment of the population who feel that the law somehow protects them, or better enables them to behave in a way that legitimizes violence? 

Openminded1
Openminded1

@StephenDing @NebuchadnezzarII He was use to it most of his adult life, and do not forget he is a man with mental issues. He had other issues that did not come to light on till this shooting. It appears he had a confrontation with a young woman in a theater a few months before, to the point of following her into the ladies room to confront her. she never made a police report, she just left the movie theater. Is wife must have been aware of his mental issues but was used to him and said nothing also.

HateToSayItbut
HateToSayItbut

@StephenDing@NebuchadnezzarIIHe was worried some crazy guy with a gun would come in and shoot people for no good reason. And he was right so how can you judge him? :)

Openminded1
Openminded1

@AndrewK777 @NebuchadnezzarII So every cop and federal agent that carry's a gun does so because they need to feel like a man, that would include female agents and cops too. You are a moron. there are people who carry gun to feel like they are tough, that in most cases is the thugs and punks and weak sucks that are in this world. 

HateToSayItbut
HateToSayItbut

@Jarhead556Spitting on someone is assault. You are right to expect that to come up in court. No matter how much people want to choose a victim here we still must accept that a physically capable 43 year old was technically assaulting a 71 year old retiree.

Jarhead556
Jarhead556

I can tell you now after his statement of fearing of being attacked will come into play. If his condition frail and considering his age, might have some weight in the trial. But the usual standard for using deadly force is being in fear of great bodily harm or death of yourself or others around you.

Jarhead556
Jarhead556

He has the right as a retired police officer to carry his weapon CCW in any state. It is called the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. All retired police can apply for it! State Laws cannot preempt it.

HateToSayItbut
HateToSayItbut

@ScallywagNYC@herbalmagickCome now sir, you are painting a pin head with roller. No, CC gun owners are exactly NOT the type of people who will bring a gun into a restricted area. They are people who jumped through every hoop to do it legally. You are acting quite foolish in assuming so much are you not?

Swaffman
Swaffman

@Openminded1 @AndrewK777 @psatravel  You say that, but it's worked in a variety of cases where you wouldn't think that it should. There was a case in Florida where a man got his stereo stolen and chased the thief down, stabbed him to death, fled the scene, hid the murder weapon and sold some of the OTHER stereos the thief had with him. And he was acquitted because when he chased the guy down, he swung his bag of stereos and the court found that he was "defending himself." Look it up. And that's just one case. The stand your ground law has been used in all kinds of preposterous ways. The way it's written, the only thing you have to prove is that you felt you were at risk and had to defend himself. It COULD apply here.

Openminded1
Openminded1

@Bullsgt @Openminded1 @AndrewK777 @NebuchadnezzarII With most police depts, and sheriffs depts it is mandated that officers carry off duty. there are some cities that give the option , but that is rare. Most police officers carry their off duty weapons where ever they go. Federal agents depending on the agency also carry off duty, there are some agency that do not allow it, but that is very rare now. ..As for retired officers and agents that is a privilege that is given to retiring officers and agents by the head of there respective agencies. Not every retiring officer gets. You have to remember retired law enforcement people are civilians. With that said there is also a federal concealed weapons permit for retired officers and agents approved a few years ago by the President.  I always have a weapon close by depending where i go and I am authorized nation wide. It is a privilege that i and most retired cops take serious and respect. 


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