Utah Asks for New Court Ruling on Gay Marriage Rights

The majority-Mormon state petitions the Supreme Court to reverse a ruling by a lower court

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Isaac Troyo, left, and his partner Jed Mecham get married at the Salt Lake County Government Building in Salt Lake City, Utah, Dec. 23, 2013.

Utah state authorities asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to suspend same-sex unions. Gay marriages in the majority-Mormon state became legal on Dec. 20 when a district judge ruled against a voter-approved ban.

The Utah papers were filed with Justice Sonia Sotomayor. who can act by herself or involve the rest of the Supreme Court when dealing with emergency requests from Utah and other Rocky Mountain states.

“Each [same-sex marriage] is an affront not only to the interests of the state and its citizens in being able to define marriage through ordinary democratic channels, but also to this court’s unique role as final arbiter,” said the Utah petition, reports the AP.

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22 comments
JulianPenrod
JulianPenrod

The fact of the matter is, despite so many insistences, this is not a matter of “civil rights”. People possessed of a mental disorder do not have the right to demand that society restructure itself to incorporate their disorder in the fabric of society.

And, in fact, homosexuality has characteristics consistent with clinical self destructive obsessive sexual perversion. Massive drug abuse, self loathing, mindless promiscuity and compulsive infidelity are present universally in the homosexual community at levels completely alien to the heterosexual community. Even the defining quality of the relationship, the form of sex, indicates its malignant nature. Anal sex can be uncomfortable for a woman, for a man it can be painful and physically destructive. It could qualify as abuse. It is not something someone would do to someone they profess to love. In fact, it is sufficient to put the lie to the idea of “love” in male homosexual relations. But oral sex is no better. It always results in one partner being satisfied while the other is forced to wait. It is not possible for individuals in either case to be satisfied simultaneously. But that is another quality of homosexuality, selfishness, an expression of contempt for the feelings of the other. Which puts the lie to the idea of “love” in female homosexual relationship, as well.

But that is far from the only point that makes the idea of homosexual marriage questionable at best. It is generally accepted that men do not long after being married. And, even if they do wish to have sex only with men, male homosexuals still depict themselves as male. The clamor by male homosexuals for marriage, then, is suspicious if not wholly and connivingly insincere. A lie. And few, if any, decent proposals are built on lies.

Much the same for the bleat that homosexuals are “born that way”. People can be born with hair trigger tempers, but that doesn't mean that should be given full rein. Just because you're “born with” something doesn't automatically make it right.

At least for male homosexuals, a look at any of their “pride” parades can give a view of the depths of their depravity, with the emphasis being solely on nudity and grotesque, nightmarish caricatures of women, whom they hate.

To accept any alteration of society the homosexual community endorses is to model civilization after the wants of mentally diseased individuals, and society not only is not required to do that, it can actually cause immense and insoluble damage to society if it does.

wrp136
wrp136

What a ludicrous argument.....like, the federal district court is powerless to find a violation of the US Constitution???? And Utah is paying$2M for such crap???

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

What's truly appalling to ME is that so many people are utterly ignorant of how the Constitution works.  What the hell, didn't they ever hear the pledge of allegiance?

"...and to the Republic for which it stands..."

From kindergarten on up, they were supposed to understand that the United States is NOT a democracy.  It's a democratic republic.  Just because we have the right to vote doesn't mean we can vote any nonsense we want to.  There's a framework upon which we must base our laws that help protect the rights of the individual, regardless of the "will of the people".  When "the will of the people" become the equivalent of a vigilante mob, the Constitution stops them from passing laws that are contrary to its principles.

Banning the same civil rights from a subset of people has a long and bloody history of being stopped in our country.  The Constitution wins every time.  Banning gay marriage is a violation of the fourteenth amendment, but in Utah's case, it's ALSO a violation of the first amendment - their own form of Sharia Law - because it's purely religiously based.  There is no social or economic downside to gay marriage, and therefore no compelling reason to stop them.

In fact, Utah will only be another state whose ban on gay marriages will be struck down.  It's inevitable because the Supreme Court has ALREADY RULED such bans are unconstitutional.  And because of the republic nature of our country, no amount of whining on the part of the majority of people in these states who approve of forcing their views on others is going to stop gay marriage from becoming the law of the land.

I wouldn't concern myself about divine retribution, either. God has not smited anyone in any of the states where it's legal.  The world still continues to turn utterly unconcerned.  There is no rioting in the streets about it.  Because in the end, unless you're gay, it doesn't negatively impact anyone in any meaningful fashion.

eagle11772
eagle11772

What is REALLY an "affront" is the Mormons constantly and falsely claiming that they are Christians.  They're not.  And until just recently, the Mormons themselves specifically stated that they weren't Christians.  These people just constantly lie about anything that suits their purpose.

johnconaway
johnconaway

Dear Utah,

Until a theocracy is installed in this country, we are a democratic republic with a clear separation of church and state.  You would not support a government mandated Shariah Law, or Kosher laws, or any other religious "affront" that is not your particular brand of Christianity.


Why do you care who loves one another?  If you are so offended by gay marriage, don't have one.


Signed,

A heterosexual Christian 

SallyAbercrombie
SallyAbercrombie

i also am a mormon.i used to have a problem with people being gay.so i talked to a bishop about it.he is the one who put new perspective on the situation.god wil deal with those that break his commandments.judge not that ye be judged.--those who have no sin cast the first stone.sound familier-read your bible.


SallyAbercrombie
SallyAbercrombie

marchflowerpowergmail.com to the powers that be:i believe that this issue 1st is about god's law-which i believe with all my might shall not be judged by man.i do belief that being gay is wrong however-god will deal as he chooses.we on the other hand should not be passing laws that violate god's laws.our country was founded in god's name so that we would have the god given right to follow our own religious beliefs.let your conciusous be your guide.may god show all the way and have mercy on us all.

StanleyJames
StanleyJames

one of the last gasps of animus toward gays having equal rightts under the 14th amendment


I met an LDS  guy about 30 very recently and we discussed the issue.  When I told him that his church could not be forced to do a gay marriage or even let gays on their property, then said its the same thing as you cant force the LDS or any other religion to do a marrriage eg  a catholic c hurch cant be forced to do a  jewish ceremony , he agreed that there is no reason to not allow gays to marry under civil law


BTW why did the Mormons end up in far away Utah, many before it was a state.  Because other people didnt like tthem and many mormons were murderred.


One would think that the conservative mormons wouldn;t be this way but thats what happens with conservative religions


And really all the anti gay churches should be rannting against the str8s who are desstroying the institution with their 53% national divorce rate and the 39% of american children growing up in single parent familes

SrihariYamanoor
SrihariYamanoor

Here is to wishing Utah is affronted as many times as possible. 

Hotpuppy
Hotpuppy

@johnconaway Note to John- Utah *IS* a theorcracy masquerading as a State.  The Mormon church very much runs that state.

VictoriaCole
VictoriaCole

@johnconaway

Dear Johnconaway;

Just to remind you that the democractic process entails laws instituted by the people. The majority of the voters in Utah have voted to retain the traditional definition of marriage.  So if it bothers you that people of faith are allowed to exercise how they would like to be governed. or if you would like to live in a totalitarian regime where the wishes of few are imposed on the many. Then please go and move to North Korea. I am sure they would love to have you.

BiffSpiff
BiffSpiff

@johnconaway How is having acts of the people or the legislature overruled by an unelected judge "democratic"?

bojimbo26
bojimbo26

" God will deal with those that break the commandments " - but God loves everyone .

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@VictoriaCole@johnconaway

Dear Victoria Cole,

Just to remind you that the laws of our land are based on the republic that is the United States, instituted by the founding fathers, and not based on a pure democracy. The majority of the voters in Utah have voted to impose a religious ideology upon a subset of their own population who don't believe as they do, in violation of the Constitution in both the first and fourteenth amendments.  So if it bothers you that people of faith are not constitutionally allowed to impose on others of potentially different faiths how they would like to be governed based on their religion, or if you would like to live in a totalitarian regime where rights aren't universal, then please go and move to Iran. I am sure they would love to have you. 




eagle11772
eagle11772

@BiffSpiff  That's part of our republican system of government.  If the people of Utah passed a law by referendum, or had their legislature pass a law, that said that all black Americans and Jewish Americans and Catholic Americans shall be imprisoned if they set foot in the State Of Utah, would you then claim a state judge has no right to rule that law unconstitutional ?  Even if a large majority of the state legislature, or a large majority of the people in a referendum passed it ?  In our republic, one of the reasons for having a federal constitution and state constitutions is to remove some things from the legislature and the citizenry.  Now matter how much they want it or support it.

eagle11772
eagle11772

@bojimbo26 God DOESN'T "love everyone".  If you read your bible, then you would know that.  Did He not slaughter innocent babies when Pharaoh refused to let he Israelites leave Egypt ?  Did He not slaughter innocent children in the Great Flood of Noah's time ?  The list of similar things He has done, as recorded in The Bible, is quite long.  And I'm a Christian and a regular church-goer.

TonyDolan
TonyDolan

@bojimbo26 God did not do these things. Men did and used God as an excuse for their actions.

bojimbo26
bojimbo26

So , God is evil . Fair enough .

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