New York’s E-Cigarette Ban Could Be Bad News for All Vapers

In the absence of federal regulations, the city could kickstart a wave of regulations

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In the looming battle over electronic cigarettes, New York City struck early. It’s not surprising. In one of its last moves before avowed tobacco opponent Mayor Michael Bloomberg leaves office, the city council voted Dec. 19 to subject e-cigarettes to the same regulations as regular smokes.

Los Angeles and Chicago are considering similar bans. Utah, New Jersey and North Dakota have passed legislation prohibiting e-cigarettes wherever regular smoking is barred and many other states are weighing how to regulate the increasingly popular product.

But New York’s action could be particularly influential. When the city banned smoking in all indoor workplaces in 2003, cigarettes were still commonplace in bars and restaurants around the country. That began to change shortly after New York’s law. Today, finding a restaurant anywhere in the country that allows smoking feels like a relic.

The vote comes as a blow to e-cigarette smokers– sometimes called “vapers” because the vaporized nicotine solution they exhale is not smoke– and to e-cigarette manufacturers and specialty retailers who sell them. One of the appeals of electronic cigarettes for adult smokers is the relative convenience of electronic cigarettes, which don’t have the same offensive odor as regular cigarettes and are legal to use indoors in most places.

Vapers and those who provide their fix are understandably peeved. E-cigarette manufacturers argue that regulations that make e-smoking less convenient will only harm smokers who might have switched to a safer product. The FDA doesn’t quite see it that way.

E-cigarette makers are not legally allowed to make claims that their product can help people quit smoking. They have not gone through the agency’s approval process that governs products like the nicotine patch or nicotine gum and proves their efficacy in helping people quit.

Electronic cigarettes are not currently regulated by the federal government – the FDA has said that the agency will assert control over them in December, kicking off the regulatory process, but as we near Christmas, that promise seems increasingly unlikely. Without regulatory standards, the safety of electronic cigarettes varies widely.

Public health officials are eager for regulation so that they can begin to study e-cigarettes and find out how they should fit in the broader efforts to reduce cigarette consumption – the leading cause of preventable death in the Western world.

37 comments
sstargaze567
sstargaze567

Lol this is to funny ..I don't care what people do they're always people trying to knock what's good ...wow cigarettes opposed to vapor ,,un ducking real ..harmful chemicals ..fiber glass if u smoke menthol ..the government knows dam well nothing harmful is in vapor juice ..yep .kill us all by allowing cigarettes to be sold know in it kills ..sure leave it up to the smokers..remember there was a time smokers wasn't warned,.I remember tv advertisement ..okay get this government ...taxes ..pharmacy n hospital treatments social security ..we die they keep the majority if u don't have family kid etc...they keep all...don't mention all the money they will lose oops ..government sry ...vapor u LIVE..no hospital pharmacy due to cancer n other u will probably file social security which they try they're damnist to keep ..but the government is,so dam greedy they rather see people die than live especially if they can't make a buck ....it's the people choice to smoke cigs n kill themselves n others around them ...so it's a fact it's people choice to vap n live n let live ..the Gove n stupid people. To hell with them ..live on vapors

Pro_Vape
Pro_Vape

"Without regulatory standards, the safety of electronic cigarettes varies widely"... Lets take a minute to let that set in. . . . Ok, I- as a consumer- have purchased electronic cigarette products from just about everywhere there is to buy them from. Some have worked very well, and some have fallen on their swords quite ungraciously- yet I have not found a single product that would be deemed "unsafe". If you look in the news at the few mentioned "accidents" that have occurred in regards to charging batteries or "overdosing" on nicotine, they have all been committed by under-informed, under-warned, under-educated end-users and/or retailers. 


If you really want to ban something, ban idiots and the ignorant from being able to sell/resell these effective and life-changing products- I know my life wouldn't be the same if I hadn't found them so easy to find and easy to use.

rob_kr28
rob_kr28

I personally think the big tobacco companies also are responsible for trying to stamp out (ban) our beloved e-cigarettes. I for one am cured of my cigarette addiction, so marlboro will never get another dime from me, thanks to e-cigs. So if they are forever banned i will never smoke again, but e-cigs are just a way to destress after a long day, and i enjoy the various flavors. I also do not use any nicotine in my ecigs, as a good percentage of ecig users do not use any.  I think they forgot to point out that fact.

coloradobob1976
coloradobob1976

"Good lord, looks like people are enjoying something, we better stop it!"

captainmorgan81
captainmorgan81

This is a sad, but not surprising, vote by the big government fascists in New York. Electronic cigarettes just help consumers avoid tobacco, odor, second-hand smoke and reduce nicotine. Energy drinks are just as bad, but they are marketed directly to kids as the greatest thing ever! See my E Cig Werks blog at www.ecigwerks.com for more, 

VapeStores
VapeStores

Do the math. A smoker spends over 1000 usd a year on cigarette taxes. Ecig users will soon reach 10,000,000 users in the USA alone. The decrease in taxes will be over 10,000,000,000 in 2014 alone. When you think about the next 5 years as more people switch that will mean, at least, 100,000,000,000 (one hundred BILLION) in taxes not entering the government coffers in the next 5 years.


Also when people quit smoking they live longer. If people live longer they will take more out of social security.


Follow the money. This has nothing to do with public health. (Ecigs save lives)

11B_INF_Retired
11B_INF_Retired

Bit by bit your civil liberties are being taken away....

gemeinerpfennig
gemeinerpfennig

I thought those indoor smoking bans were to protect people from second hand smoke. Second hand smoke from an e-cig? Piss on your ban.

MillyLanders
MillyLanders

I was shopping in a store recently and looked up to see smoke/vapor coming out of a young man's mouth.  It sent a chill through me. I see employees of grocery stores, hospitals, retail stores positioning themselves the appropriate distance from the entrance of the store to smoke.  Customers still have to walk past them. A young plumber came into my son's home to repair a leak and he smelled of cigarette smoke.  I don't really understand the difference in a vapor cigarette and regular cigarettes.  A vapor cigarette is just a different delivery system of nicotine, correct? Are the carcinogens still in a vapor cigarette? Do clothes, paint, fabrics,  etc. absorb odor from vapor cigarettes?  My husband was a life long smoker, he died at age 59 of lung and brain cancer. I don't want my grandchildren seeing people using vapor cigarettes. I don't want them smoking cigarettes. 

TomWard
TomWard

" Public health officials are eager for regulation so that they can begin to study e-cigarettes"

WHAT? Regulations are only going to restrict any study. You ban something after you find out it's harmful, not the other way around. It's like everyone in this country has lost the ability to think logically.

sstargaze567
sstargaze567

Yep they are losing money ..but they are also killing and addicting people with they're product..

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@11B_INF_RetiredOh, PLEASE...  Yours is one of one of the more ignorant statements I've read today.

e-cigs were introduced without any regulation or FDA agreement that they do what they claim they do.  There are no scientific studies on them AT ALL.  There are no regulations regarding their manufacture.  There are no guidelines as to what should or shouldn't be put in the solution that is vaporized.

The nicotine patch was at least tested and approved to do what it claims to do.  Point of fact is that no one knows if e-cigarettes are even safe, let alone do what they claim to do.  The federal government (paralyzed by the terrorists on the far right) won't regulate them.

And you know DAMN WELL that as soon as people start dropping dead from some kind of twitching awfuls because of some greedy e-cig maker with substandard parts and a Chinese P.O. Box for a mailing address, the masses will rise up and demand that the government should DO SOMETHING, and moan about the fact it hadn't done anything before.

Banning them is the only reasonable option because no one can provide proof of safety, effectiveness or quality.  Until that proof is provided, they shouldn't be used by anyone.

Of course, if you think someone dropping dead because of the twitching awfuls is only THEIR problem, YOU are the problem, because it affects us all one way or the other.

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

The problem with your post is you used the phrase "I thought" when it's patently obvious you didn't.  Nor did you read the article, which would have laid it out for you.  Maybe pissing on the ban isn't what you should do.  Because given the regulations in effect today on what goes INTO the stuff that's vaporized (there are NONE), you may be "smoking" your own piss and not even know it.

joysecig
joysecig

@MillyLanders LOL, no,no,no, those are the reasons we use e cigarettes so we don't stink,be exposed to carcinogens, and mostly of all, DIE too soon. All it is is flavored steam we are exhaling, no smoke and the steam disappears seconds after it is exhaled so there isn't even anything left lingering in the air, nothing deadly at all in an electronic cigarette. I and my husband have been using our e cigs for 2 years and our doctor is extremely happy with our improved health, especially our lung function yippee!! I smoked real cigarettes for 31 years and my husband for 35 years we forgot how great it was to just be able to breathe deep. We are getting the exact same benefits from switching to e cigs as somebody who quit cold turkey.Think about it, the ONLY thing a smoker is addicted to in a real cigarette is the nicotine (and the hand to mouth machanics of smoking which e cigs also addresses) so why not get it in a more familliar way hand to mouth as well as safer and I mean safer for everyone including those who never smoked anything ever.

TitivillusTerisiare
TitivillusTerisiare

@MillyLanders Vapor cigarettes just deliver nicotine to the person and has no odor or second hand effects.  I have many friends who switch and are much healthier. They are gradually stepping down the nicotine levels in the vapors (you can do that) so that they can quit.  So far from seeing their experiences, it has been working.


I'm not saying that it is safe for the user.  We will have to wait for more testing and FDA approval for that.  For others around the smoker, they are safe and don't have to worry about odor or a lasting smoke (the vapor dispersal is fast).


On a side note: If you don't want your children or grandchildren to do anything, then raise them.  If they see people doing it then explain it to them.  People need to take responsibility for their children's actions.  

AlexClark
AlexClark

@TomWard EXACTLY!  Research is supposed to inform policy.  Not the other way around.

joysecig
joysecig

@DeweySayenoff @11B_INF_Retired No, you're ignorant actually. You know it's all about the money. If it isn't and never was about the all mighty dollar, then "real cigarettes, as well as alcoholic beverages would have been outlawed right from the start.

Pro_Vape
Pro_Vape

DeweySayenoff : If you don't know if the product is safe, don't use it- its your choice- but consider this: Cigarettes are NOT safe, basically GUARANTEED to kill you, and yet people still choose to use them, by the millions, daily. 

joysecig
joysecig

@DeweySayenoff Actually, there have been studies. Let me break it down for you. What's in my e cig cartomizer :  glychol propolyne a substance pushed through the ventelation systems at children's hospitals to sterilize the air, next water AKA the stuff your body needs to live, nothing earth-shattering there, and nicotine which is found in brocollie, peanuts, tomatoes, and a ton of other foods you ingest every day yourself. That's right even non smokers ingest nicotine because it's no more harmful than caffine. Nicotine in nothing more than a natural stress reliever. I love how the nazis come out when they insist EVERYONE march to their order, UGH grow up,get a life and live and LET live. My habit has NOTHING to do with non smokers anymore so simply put , just shut up already!!

Pro_Vape
Pro_Vape

@DeweySayenoff You know, we do know what is in e-liquid. Propylene Glycol, which is found in cosmetics, toothpaste (some), some foods, and is Labratory/Food grade. Vegetable Glycerin, which is both a skincare product and an additive in some oral medicines as a sweetener. Nicotine, found in fruits and vegetables such as eggplant, tomatoes, potatoes, tomatillos, sweet peppers and hot peppers is a stimulant, but so is the caffeine in all the coffee we all drink- not to mention all the energy drinks. Distilled Water, see: H2o that has been boiled and re-condensed to remove impurities. Natural and/or Artificial Flavoring, see: the most consumed things on the planet. Caramel Color and/or Food Coloring see: also the most consumed things on the planet.


What is your problem? I didn't even need to do any research to come up with these facts. The person you are insulting probably knows a few facts as well, you know- the things you seem to have wrong?

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@TitivillusTerisiare@MillyLanders People thought cigarettes were safe, even healthy.  Doctors used to recommend them to their patients.  They were wrong.

Your assertion that they're safe has no proof.  None.  Just because one of your friends hasn't had their head explode because of smoking them doesn't mean it CAN'T happen.  No one knows exactly what is in the vaporized solution.  A list of ingredients?  HA!  For all you know it could be anything from tap water to dog pee and you just have a psychosomatic reaction to what you THINK is nicotine.  (The placebo effect).

You may argue all you want, but your experience isn't necessarily what will happen forever and you can offer nothing but hearsay evidence so far that you're not already suffering damage that will only get worse as time goes on from them.

I mean, wouldn't you rather not have to deal with the drama of being a junkie?  Your syringe is right there in your mouth.  And you can quit any time.  It's not like it's going to kill you to quit.  But it certainly may kill you if you don't.  And "so far so good" is what the guy said about the drop as he passed the tenth floor on the way to the sidewalk."

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@AlexClark@TomWard So, you're saying that banning children from playing with blasting caps is a BAD THING because there's never, EVER, been a study to determine that it is bad?  Are you saying that it's okay to release all experimental drugs without any testing because studies should ONLY be done AFTER harm has been inflicted?

Seems to me that if you're going to ingest something that is alleged to have any medicinal effect through the use of a somewhat experimental drug delivery system, one should have studies to determine that the drug being delivered and its method of delivery are both safe and effective BEFORE YOU SEND IT OUT THERE.

Tell me, which would you prefer: Taking a name brand drug or taking the same drug from a no-name pharmaceutical company in Bangladesh? Your e-cig has no regulations regarding its manufacturing.  None.  Zero, zip, nada.  You don't know if the materials are toxic or not, or how they are impacted by the vapor (or how the vapor is impacted by them).  The same for your solution.  Unless you have it lab analyzed, you have NO IDEA what's in it, other than trusting these folks to only put in it what's on the list.  And there are no regulations that say they have to.  There's nothing about that thing you can be sure of, other than it costs you money.

So, care to use reason and logic for real, guys?  Or are you going to double-down on irrationality today?

DeweySayenoff
DeweySayenoff

@MillyLanders@11B_INF_RetiredConsider the source, Milly.  He's a weak-willed junkie who can't even muster the gonads to stop using something that is costing him money just because it would make him uncomfortable.

Golly, gosh oh gee...  He's such a wuss..

BenChuba
BenChuba

@DeweySayenoff@TitivillusTerisiare@MillyLanders Oh man, this would be really accurate if we uh, didn't know exactly what goes into the liquid. Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Artificial Flavoring (approved for use in perfumes and food), and Nicotine if you want it in there. Most liquid makers list this info freely on their site. You can make it yourself with those ingredients and you get the same results. I personally vape 0 nicotine, I am not a junkie, I do not want or recieve nicotine. Why should my flavored PG and VG vaporizer be regulated as tobacco when it has none of the components of tobacco? (and before you say that I don't know that it's safe, I do know that it's safe, studies have been done showing the minimal effect that pg and vg have on the human body when inhaled, basically no worse for you than using an inhaler)

sstargaze567
sstargaze567

Well u should stop eating ..because nicotine is our food are u addicted to most food ..that's the nicotine in vapor juice ..

Pro_Vape
Pro_Vape

@MillyLanders Do you breathe or scratch yourself only at home or in a "lounge for that specific purpose"? No, you do not- and you would freak out and make an fool of yourself if someone told you you had to. That is what we have to look forward to- that and having snooty old people in a position of power make decisions that affect OUR lives, but not theirs. Nicotine is no more addictive than caffeine. What would you do if they banned anything that contained caffeine? no more coffee, tea, Red Bull, Monster, Starbucks etc...? 

sstargaze567
sstargaze567

But we supposed to trust they're finding due to the fact they've allowed a product that killed millions and continue to do so ....yep FDA

joysecig
joysecig

@DeweySayenoff @AlexClark @TomWard Can you name ANY FDA rush-to-approval-for-the-money drugs that have not been recalled, or proven to kill people? No you can not because the FDA has their own greedy money grubbing reasons for approving ANYTHING!! Maybe we should all take chantix and die from that just because the FDA once upon a time said it was OK. Wake up sheep!!!

kurdt39
kurdt39

@DeweySayenoff @AlexClark @TomWard I love internet tough guys! lol cassa.org for all the info you will need.

sstargaze567
sstargaze567

Chantix doesn't work for everyone I know people who still smoke n have used Chantix ..and all the side effects more meds u pay ..suicide is one ..but gov approve lol

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