These 6 People Are Still JFK Assassination Skeptics

Not buying into the Warren Commission's official line 50 years after he was killed

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admitme
admitme

Over the years I've read many books and articles (Six Seconds in Dallas, Rush to Judgment, et. al.) I was agnostic, but open minded. Today I believe Oswald acted alone.

turfabarth
turfabarth

Wish the truth would just come out whatever it is. Hardly anyone to lynch now.

turfabarth
turfabarth

It may look as if JFK's head went a little forward when in fact,it went sideways to the left making it look like it went a little forward from Zapruder's point of view since the limo was moving forward away from Zapruder who was on the right.If indeed there had been some forward motion,it was due to being hit at the right temple almost at the quarter of a section of JFK's head(remember,moving limo) which then starts to move backward.Exit wound at the back. Then there's that round bullet wound on the ride frontal part of his head that was altered when his body disappeared for a few minutes.The trajectory of the bullet doesn't even support a shot from the 6th floor.Maybe there's a conspiracy,maybe there isn't.If there's nothing to hide,why override the chief Doctor of the Hospital.Even Earl Warren wasn't fully satisfied with the results but he was being hurried and bullied to give answers.

dutchs
dutchs

I've asked this repeatedly. What evidence do you PERSONALLY have that justifies believing in conspiracies? Not what you read, or hear, or put together, but things you personally have experienced or seen. Because as nearly as I can tell, NOBODY who believes in conspiracies has any personal experience to justify their belief.

I've been to the JFK site. Dealey Plaza is a tiny triangle of grass between two merging streets. There was absolutely NO place, including the grassy knoll, where a shooter could have been sure of getting away. A shooter on the grassy knoll would have had no assurance at all that other spectators wouldn't stand there, too. The ONLY place that offered cover and a likely escape was Oswald's perch. Looking down from there, it may be an exaggeration to say Oswald could have hit Kennedy with a brick, but not by much.

ViolaPerry
ViolaPerry

Joe Bonannon wrote in his book BOUND FOR HONOR that the shooter was in the grassy knoll and his driver got spooked and left and so he had to take a taxi whereby upon leaving the taxi he shot the driver.  LBJ was known to be in the pockets of the Mafia since his college days, Bush Sr was in the CIA and the son of Hunt's Bros. in Dallas claimed his father was in on it.  His confessions on the deathbed should clear that.  

sallyedelstein
sallyedelstein

The NY Times reported that very Sunday morning that Dallas police had plenty of evidence to convict Oswald. For the briefest moment a trusting public could believe they had caught their man.  The shocking shooting of Oswald that same day on live TV forever changed television landscape and spawned conspiracy industry. In a weekend filled with tragic images emanating from our TV sets the Oswald shooting was so nightmarish so immediate because we saw it happen.Like millions of others, I will forever recall  November 22, 1963 and the days that followed as  a childhood weekend transfixed by TV. Television would never be the same ; neither would we. http://wp.me/p2qifI-1Qc

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

Most assassins shoot from up-close. The motives are personal. If Oswald hated Kennedy as much as he allegedly did or if he was seeking some kind of notoriety, he likely would have wanted to be known as the assassin and he would have taken advantage of one of so many previous opportunities to gun down JFK.

That's why I remain skeptical.

My list of suspects starts with associates of LBJ, Nixon, the mob or any combination, thereof, and ends with Oswald as the lone wolf who did his research, was employed at the right place at the right time, and proven incredibly skillful and unnerved over an intense period of time.

PerAndersson
PerAndersson

Parkland Hospital is not only the place where JFK died, but where his assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, died two days later, and also where Oswald's own assassin, Jack Ruby, also died four years later.

Was it a conspiracy that all these people died in the same place, or was it something about Parkland that caused all these people to coincidentally die in the same place?

Parkland has come under fire recently from government regulators, at one point losing its Medicare status, and is currently on 7 straight years of federal probation for patient care lapses and fraud. Many patients who come to Parkland die for no reason at all.

It’s no coincidence. You can read about the intriguing back story about Parkland and the JFK assassination on the website, "The Parkland Orgy of Death."

Mercurus
Mercurus

The tragedy of JFK's assassination haunts us today because some very vocal and misguided people cannot come to grips with the facts.

John Kennedy was shot and killed by a young man suffering from paranoid disillusionment brought about by the disappointment he experience during his stay in Soviet Russia. 

Lee Harvey Oswald was a devout Communist, self-educated and self-indoctrinated from an early age, and faithfully believed the socialist dream. His experiences in Russia were a profound and disturbing event that he was unprepared to experience. Realistically he only had himself to blame...but reason and self evaluation are not virtues socialist ideology deem necessary. 

He blamed "others". 

Rather than question the premises he had accepted, he went insane in the attempt to rationalize his horrible choice of ideology. His mental condition most likely resembled that of one of his modern day peers, Jared Laughner. Intelligent but horribly unbalanced. Hell, even the Russians thought he was a bit weird.

Oswald's descent into madness began as a crisis of faith and ended in violent, paranoid schizophrenia. Kennedy's assassination - in Oswald's splintered mind - would be a death blow to the cabal responsible for the conditions in Soviet Russia and a would be a grand, saving event for Communism.

Lee Harvey Oswald would have tried to kill Nixon if he had won the election in 1960. The events of Dec. 22, 1963 had nothing to do with Kennedy, his past or his future. It was the violent act of a sick mind...something we've since seen in Virginia (Virginia Tech), Tucson, AZ (Laughner), Colorado (Columbine, Aurora) and Newtown, CT. All the result of untreated mental illness.

No conspiracy. No cabal. No secrets except those that went to the grave with Oswald. 

VonEnemy
VonEnemy

the whole problem is... You can CLEARLY SEE JFK's head snap BACK from the fatal shot to  the head. If he was shot from behind his head would tilt forward.

WonderMike
WonderMike

I'm skeptical about the Kennedy assassination too, clearly it was faked and Kennedy is now a giant robot fighting aliens in space.

ScoopErickson
ScoopErickson

"Conspiracy theories remain popular because, let’s face it, they’re fun." This is insulting. It's not fun, after reading all the evidence that has been revealed, to come to the realization that our country had a coup d'état via a grisly, very public assassination. It's not fun to believe that the people who planned and committed this treason continued to influence our country for many years after the act. It's not fun to know that murdering traitors never had to answer for their act. None of this is fun.

rotorhead1871
rotorhead1871

its easy to be skeptical.....but none of these non-believers have put forth a solid argument with proof that tells a different story...so...someone PLEASE come forth with a provable hypothesis that tells a different story............

brenro12
brenro12

It doesn't take somebody famous to see this whole mess stinks to high heaven. For a lot of us this was the end of trusting our government.

MarkLeeKrangle
MarkLeeKrangle

I was told in September 1960 that JFK was marked for death by a high up member of the Mafia in Chicago. A Mafia soldier living across the street from my family was already involved in the development of an elaborate assassination plan, which would include Moscow preparing Oswald for his role three years later. The CIA helped the Mafia insure JFK's election knowing he was going to get hit.  Allen Dulles had already planned the Vietnam war and the CIA wanted JFK to start it.  LBJ was put on the JFK ticket in 1960 because he would work with the CIA to expand the war that JFK was slated to initiate.  This is not a theory.  This is as real as it gets.  JFK was marked for death in 1960 and helped to get elected and steered to his death on November 22, 1963.  HIs murder was a complex conspiracy, but the conspiracy started, concretized and began to unfold early in 1960.  JFK was rigged into the presidency to do tasks for the MIC and to be killed.  U.S. intelligence (CIA,NSA... plus elements of the Mafia) have owned the presidency since Eisenhower announced the existence of the MIC -- really the military-industrial-organized crime complex). I have written a book about our condition in a totalitarian America.  Google me and read it.

DavidStrayer
DavidStrayer

On November 22, 1963, I remember sitting as a sophomore in the orchestra rehearsal room at my high school.  An upperclassman came in, a guy who was always cutting the class up.  He had a deadly serious face, and approached the teacher.  Immediately afterwards, the teacher turned to the class and announced that the President had been shot in Dallas.  

Does anyone not remember where they were when this happened?

Over the next days of stunned national tragedy and mourning, the unreal, impossible events unfolded: LBJ was sworn in as President, we had a national funeral, the killer was caught.

And then, the impossible happened.  A low-level Dallas gangster named Jack Ruby (né Rubinstein) killed the killer as Oswald was being taken for transport.  

Lee Harvey Oswald had no reason to kill JFK, personally.  Jack Ruby was a mob gofer who didn't know Lee Harvey Oswald.  Is there any serious doubt, really, that Oswald was a hired gun and that Ruby was brought in to silence him?  Is any other scenario credible?  

I can't speak for others, but I can date the point in my early life when I began distrusting government to the moment the report was issued claiming that there was no "conspiracy" to kill the president, that Oswald was a lone killer, acting by himself.  It just didn't make sense, none of it.  Why would Jack Ruby kill Oswald?  Why would Oswald kill Kennedy?  Why was Oswald being transferred under such low security when he was clearly so important?  How did Ruby know when and how to attack him?

It didn't seem right then, and it still doesn't.  The report leaves too many questions unanswered.  Rejecting the conclusions of the report also leaves a lot of questions unanswered. 

In science, we seek the simplest explanation, the one that requires the fewest assumptions, as the most likely one.  For me, and I suspect for many others, that was that there was a plot to kill Kennedy, Oswald was a hired gun and Ruby was made to silence him.

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

Well, by THAT logic, what "personal experience" do you have to justify your belief in ANY "historical" account? Indeed, over time, many historical accounts are proven to be inaccurate or outright lies.

The victors are always shading the truth to justify their agendas.

dutchs
dutchs

@sallyedelsteinActually, what really spawned the conspiracy industry happened four years earlier. The quiz show scandals. I have wondered my whole life what there was in that episode that warranted a government investigation. It's like complaining that stage pistols shoot blanks. The real impetus was described by Walter Karp in American Heritage (1989): "What transformed the “fuss” into a boiling scandal was, at bottom, the Democratic Party’s determination to break the national crust of complacency and regain its lost political power." Pretty much all conspiracy theories have the aim of undermining faith in institutions or justifying the conspirator's own rejection. 

bmorg02
bmorg02

@JorgeJohnson

"Most Assassins" except  Oswald was trained and tested in shooting and he scored 212 in December 1956, slightly above the requirements for the designation  of sharpshooter

CuervoJones
CuervoJones

@PerAndersson I went to Parkland with appendicitiz in 1980, put in a room and forgotten about for eight hours.  If I hadn't evdntually crawled into the hall and collapsed I would be dead.

dutchs
dutchs

@PerAndersson And they all died when their hearts stopped beating, too. Has anyone checked the cardiologists?

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

Well stated examples of mentally-ill people who get close to their victims. They don't shoot them from afar.

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

No wonder we haven't been attacked.

Jack's winning again.

dutchs
dutchs

@ScoopErickson It's dead on target. If any of you really believed all this, you wouldn't be posting on line. You'd be hiding. You know perfectly well that you're completely safe and nobody is coming after you. You're playing spy, like Walter Mitty.

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

I agree. That was a dumb comment by a teacher in an institution of higher learning.

bettyboop1
bettyboop1

@ScoopErickson ...It's in your face isn't it? This clown that made that comment is from DALLAS.  hardee har har.  The elite spit right in our faces through their bank owned media on a daily basis.

ScoopErickson
ScoopErickson

Try reading "The Hidden History of the JFK Assassination" by Lamar Waldron or "Legacy of Secrecy" by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartman. The authors are well respected writers, researchers and commentators. They provide meticulous, detailed documentation. The latter book here especially is long, scholarly and dry. The first book is a more condensed, concise presentation of the information. These books make a very strong case that Oswald was telling the truth when he said, "I'm just a patsy."

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

A mob conspiracy would have been uncovered, either by their own ineptitude or by the many resources within the government.

Heck, even J. Edgar would have known. He might not have told, but he would have known. And therein would lie the conspiracy.

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

Oswald was trained as a radar operator, not a sniper. And there appears to have been discrepancies about what others thought of his shooting abilities and what his records show. Having served, I know how the military likes to round up to improve the brass and show "effective training." I onced failed a captain on his PT test, only to see the score changed by higher ups.

Oswald eventually scored "marksman," after initially scoring "sharpshooter," likely owing to the fact that as a radar operator he didn't practice all the time. In the service, we all shoot weapons, but unless it is your specialty you're not practicing all the time. Also, Oswald wasn't testing at moving targets, needing to refocus to get the fatal blow. And let's not forget he once shot himself. Not exactly a wizard with guns.

It's easy to see getting the first shot on target. After that, after all that sitting and waiting and eating and drinking and what effect that has on the digestive track... Not saying impossible, just not likely.

dutchs
dutchs

@JorgeJohnson Like the D.C. snipers? Or Charles Whitman, who killed a dozen people shooting from the bell tower in Austin, TX in 1966?

bmorg02
bmorg02

@JorgeJohnson

 Oswald was trained by the Marines and tested in shooting and he scored 212 in December 1956, slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter. So he was trained to be a sniper and a sniper he was.


bmorg02
bmorg02

@Mercurus @VonEnemy 

You are correct. Ever so slightly forward first then the damaged brain caused a violent random movement back. Such an extreme movement backward would not be caused by the momentum of a small bullet.

ScoopErickson
ScoopErickson

I went to Dallas and spent three days at and around Dealy Plaza. I was surprised at how small the plaza and park is. I went up to the "sniper's nest" and also stood behind the picket fence. It would have been difficult to make the shots from the window as Oswald would have had to shoot from a sharp angle and his view was partially obscured by a tree (no longer there). There was an X painted on the street marking JFK's position at the moment of the head shot. It would have been a close, straight, unobstructed shot from the picket fence. i could have made that shot. I saw that Ruby's Carousel Club was just across from the police station where he later shot Oswald. I stood at the spot where Oswald allegedly shot Officer Tippit and was able to see the locations of the witnesses, much farther away than we were led to believe and at least one older witness had failing eyesight. People need to think and look for themselves before making fun of those who aren't afraid question the government.

JorgeJohnson
JorgeJohnson

Killing a dozen different people from a bell tower isn't difficult. Hitting one moving target twice - including a head shot - is much more difficult. And while the D.C. Sniper was effective, he wasn't necessarily accurate. Blow out the window of a moving vehicle and the driver will likely crash.

As I recall, many of the victims were not moving targets.

dutchs
dutchs

@ScoopErickson And as you're standing there behind the picket fence, what assurance do you have that a bunch of other spectators won't come up there too, hoping for a good camera angle? How do you know somebody won't get a clear photo of you? How do you know fleeing spectators won't cut off your escape route? And you're shooting slightly downward from the front, so how do you get a bullet to travel up through Connally? It hits his wrist (inside the car and obscured from that vantage point) and travels upward through his body.

bmorg02
bmorg02

@ScoopErickson 

Kookie, kookie. Hard to believe that such a believer is vice president. Lord help us if Obama dies.


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