Obamacare Website: Fewer Than 50,000 Have Enrolled

Insiders reveal a figure that, if accurate, falls radically short of expectations

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Marilyn Tavenner, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, has told Congress that full enrollment figures for HealthCare.gov will be released this week

Fewer than 50,000 people have successfully enrolled for private health insurance using the federal government’s health care website, according to the Wall Street Journal, which cited people familiar with the data on Monday.

Health officials had told Congress the initial enrollment tally for HealthCare.gov would be low, but the numbers fall far short of the 500,000 that the Administration had set as a target for the site’s first month.

An estimated 7 million Americans were expected to gain private health coverage by the end of March, when the open-enrollment period is due to end. But many users have been unable to complete insurance applications because of technology problems and design flaws since the troubled site was launched on Oct. 1.

According to the Journal, a spokesperson for the federal health agency declined on Monday to confirm the enrollment figures, which cover 36 states. Official data on enrollment for all 50 states is expected to be released later this week.

[WSJ]

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JonD'FrancePierreClemmons
JonD'FrancePierreClemmons

We should have a national healthcare system like Canada's. But unfortunitly......................................

jowayne
jowayne

wouldnt signup on that site ,at all, have to be a dummy  to give all of the scammers your info. nothing safe on it.  obamas mess  will become yours  if you do.  

drudown
drudown

What I fail to grasp is the following: the "paid for" media seems transfixed on this one statement by President Obama that has been completely manipulated from any reasonable context, i.e., people can keep policies that CONFORM with the Health Care REFORM. As for Insurance companies deciding to drop coverage…that happens EVERY day in America. Since when are "campaign promises" by elected officials de facto "insurance policies" for contingencies that are, not coincidentally, completely out of their control? 

More importantly, if citizen ("Joe Fox") had a policy ("Junk Policy") that excluded his pre-existing condition…are we to believe that Joe Fox should be able to "keep his non-conforming policy" that thwarts the very purpose of the Health Care REFORM on account of the alleged discrepancy? That is ridiculous. Moreover, the incidental "costs" or "inconvenience" of these people that allegedly "desperately" want to keep their NON-CONFORMING policies is SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGHED by the long-term FISCAL BENEFIT THE ACA confers to the People and Nation as a whole. Sorry, the needs of the whole outweigh the alleged inconvenience to the few, i.e., particularly insofar that their purported self-perceived plight is most often wholly fabricated or- at a minimum- their ACTUAL "damages" completely unclear at this point because the ACA has not even been implemented yet.

“There are times when even justice brings harm with it.” - Sophocles

Incredibly, the "paid for" Media conspicuously omits ANY reference that the entire GOP members of Congress and, sadly, many GOP elated officials in the Several States are hell-bent on thwarting the implementation of the ACA, as if, in there end, such refusal to Faithfully Execute the Supreme Law of the Land does not, under the totality of the circumstances, exacerbate the purported "problems" cited as a pretext to (what else) "abolish" what has yet to even be put into its streamlined functioning. It can't be both.

Sorry, one cannot credibly “cite the low enrollment numbers” without dispassionately holding this smear campaign face to face, much less cite the alleged “rise in Health Care costs” without also calculating the "troubling" number of the ACTUAL, OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS to United States TAXPAYERS- not just to date, but ongoing- that have proximately resulted from GOP officials refusing to FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

What, the ACA passing through THREE SEPARATE branches of our government is not DULY ENACTED FEDERAL LAW? Or perhaps a SINGLE member of the Congress or GOP would care to cite the SPECIFIC case law that holds "partisan differences" or “allegiance to the base” or “will of the donors” trumps the Supremacy Clause?

Surely no elected leader in the GOP Congress (i.e., particularly if he/she is a member of the bar) can dispute that President Obama’s refusal to honor your Unconstitutional Legislative Veto request to "defund" the ACA is not, in fact, unlawful in itself by virtue of existing case law? Or should members of the bar serving the PEOPLE in Congress that happen to be GOP just "forget" our rule of law PRECLUDES such State Action [see, e.g., INS v Chadha (1982) 462 U.S. 919]?

Above all, it is beyond disingenuous to have the "paid for" media dispense (literally) negative story after story on the purported (enter dramatic Halloween screech) "horrors" of the ACA website and/or implementation and/or wholly unfounded "hidden costs" or "tax increases" and then, what, "cite" the "low enrollment numbers", as if, in the end, there is not a causal link between the aforementioned, pre-meditated effort by the GOP, its lobbyist regime and "paid for" media to discredit the ACA before it is even up and running and "lower than expected" enrollment numbers?

Try to be serious.

"The politician is condemned when the lawbreaker is acquitted." - Publilius Syrus (1st Cen. B.C.)

How can ANYONE even whisper "abolishing" the ACA without approximating the fiscal cost of “repealing” or "defunding" Obamacare- that is, approximate the ACTUAL, out-of-pocket cost including, but not limited to (1) the rising, unsustainable costs of Health Care under the prior format to be reinstated [i.e., with ZERO guarantees whatsoever they won’t be HIGHER]; (2) the direct and indirect costs to date of passing Obamacare and implementation [i.e., what, do you think the People don’t absorb the ACTUAL costs to date if the GOP gets to “repeal” or “undo” Obamacare?] and (3) then add, of course, the direct and indirect costs of "changing back to the old laws."

Sorry, all of a sudden, these “unfounded” Obamacare “tales of woe”- much less website glitches- immediately seem puny and trivial. 

While "Faux News" and the WSJ 'should report same'…maybe somebody in DC (and/or good with a calculator at the CBO) could run these projected numbers for the People immediately. That way, the "paid for" 'expert witnesses' with a financial bias on TV would have to reconcile the self-evident imprudence of the "dropping the ACA"…dispassionately. 

"He who would not be cured of ignorance must confess it." - Montaigne”

sanityfair
sanityfair

I signed up today, and despite some minor issues had little trouble with the website. I will detail that in a moment. I'm a 29 year old female with a small business I created, no employees, I make and sell digital graphics and illustrations online. I have not had health insurance in almost 10 years because I couldn't afford it. I have the luxury of my youth, no pre-existing conditions, and no reason to sign up now. But I wanted to be one of the early supporters and chronicle my experience throughout the process, which doesn't end after signing up. It's like a movie everyone says is bad. You can either agree with everyone else never having watched it, or find out for yourself. I feel I have enough faith in this program to jump in and see how it goes. Some motivation comes from knowing that its people like me that will provide the backbone for this program.

So this was my sign up experience:

Firefox seemed to have glitches. The link to "create account" failed to work. So I opened Safari and had no problem with the "create account" button. After creating an account and verifying my email address I signed in to my new account on Firefox and still had issues with links not working.

I then signed into my account on Safari and within 20 minutes my application was complete. I was impressed with how they verify your identity, because a SSN is not required to sign up. They present you a list of multiple choices questions like, our records show you owned a car in the last 2 years, which car is it. And then out of 4 choices, my car was in there. There were 4 questions like this that. Some seemed to be questions that might be designed so that the answer is "none of the above", or those questions pertain to someone else with your name. I'm not sure why I had to do this step though as I did put my SSN on the form.

I live in Delaware, and I don't know if every state is different but after completing my online application and signing it electronically, my application is "in review". So I have not been presented with options for plans yet.


One thing to keep in mind about the numbers presented here in this article is that it doesn't include enrollment in Obamacare through state exchanges. When those numbers are totaled and included it is much larger.  Also, just because someone creates an account, doesn't mean they have to sign up now. I do not doubt the numbers are low because of the glitches, but also consider that some people might not be having issues and are still looking at their options.

BretVarcados
BretVarcados

I keep trying to tell people that the problem isn't the cost of medical insurance, the problem is the legally allowed outrageous mark-up on pharmaceuticals, medical supplies, and patient services.

 ~  If we regulated the product and technical service mark-ups to no more than 100% of actual cost, then I guarantee you the cost of medical care would go down greatly. Thus the insurance companies would not have such great debits, and the premiums would be less. 

 Our nation already has the highest medical costs in the world.  Unlike the results of our current trend, a little control and compassion in the pricing of them wouldn't kill anyone.

~  Matter of fact we should just make it a law, Nothing can be marked up over 100% of the products actual manufacturing cost.

BillyRubin
BillyRubin

What a mess.  Next year at this time, Obamacare will be synonymous with government over reach and failure.  I have no intention of signing up for insurance with this mess.  I'm 52 and prospering quite well without high premiums, deductibles and co-pays.  I plan to wait a few years and see how this mess settles.  The penalty is cheap enough to sustain and the IRS is forbidden by ACA regulation from using traditional collection methods.

LadyinLA
LadyinLA

...   We need to take a long view here.  Anytime you bring something new to the table that changes. the. entire. game. for the better. forever. there are going to be bumps in the road.  Maybe a few. Maybe a bunch. It's called a paradigm shift.  Tipping point, if you prefer. 

And here's another tipping point for you.  The health of the American poeple is a really really big deal.  When our military has to turn people away because they're not fit enough, 1/3 of our population is obese - worst in the world btw, and HIV and STDs are on the rise - there comes a point when national health becomes a matter of national security. I think we are there.

ACA is right on time.  Let's give it a minute.

LadyinLA
LadyinLA

I'm still trying to figure out what all the fuss is about ... ACA is for folks who do. not. have. health. insurance.  So now they're going to get something whereas before they had absolutely nothing.  I will say I was surprised to learn today that some insurances don't meet the minimum ACA standard so some folks are getting dropped out of insurance they already have.

But let's put that in perspective.  Insurance companies that provide crap health insurance - and if you have one, boy do you know it - would rather leave people blowing in the wind than improve the quality of their service. 

ACA is not "making" them do anything besides actually care if you live or die when you really need it.  Does no one remember how bad things got in the 90s when folks with health insurance were literally left to die by their HMOs?

WilliamWagg
WilliamWagg

At first I laughed at the conspiracy theorist who thought that liberal politicians wanted Obamacare to fail,  so that they could get a true single payer health program in place.  Now with the complete failure of the website and the upcoming financial failure of Obamacare I am not so sure they weren't right.

What surprises me is that young people haven't figured out that this is the single redistribution from young to old in the history of this country.  I think that every young person needs to take an economics class.  The first thing you learn in economics is scarcity.  There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it.

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

If Obamacare was so great an idea then WHY are most doctors and medical personnel so against it.  Many doctors I know are planning to privatize their practice.   Obamacare will mean much higher insurance premiums for people actually paying for it  and not getting subsidies for free.  However, all Obamacare members will get longer wait periods, shorter care time and eventually will suffer from fewer trained professionals.  Remember health coverage is not the same as health care.  This bill is a disaster and those who support are ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE.

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

Don't believe the "Hype".  Lies, lies and more lies.  Expect the worse.  These people want to force their fantasy upon us.  Don't by into this BS.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday that between 40,000 and 50,000 uninsured Americans signed up for health care coverage in the 36 states where the federal government is running the Obamacare exchanges, offering the very first estimate of the administration’s progress in implementing the Affordable Care Act. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is expected to release official figures later this week. That number “will include people who have paid for a health plan and those who simply picked a plan and put it in their online shopping cart,” the Washington Post notes.

But the initial estimate doesn’t tell the whole story about how many people are connecting to coverage. Here is what you need to know about the enrollment figures:

1. More than 500,000 have signed up for insurance overall. Avalere Health, a consulting firm tracking sign-ups, estimates that at least 440,000 people have signed up for Medicaid and another 49,000 people enrolled in coverage in 12 states and the District of Columbia that are operating their own exchanges. Significantly, that state number don’t appear to include enrollment from California, Massachusetts, or Oregon. Thus, all told, more than 529,000 have enrolled in coverage.

2. People are enrolling despite an error-ridden website. Some enrollees — particularly the younger and healthier population who does not absolutely need coverage — may be putting off enrollment given HealthCare.gov’s technical glitches or are waiting until the website is fixed to sign up. The administration reports that more visitors are now successfully getting through the enrollment process from beginning to end, but the website is still struggling to process enrollees and deliver accurate and verifiable information to health insurers. “Given all of the web site problems, I think 50,000 sounds pretty good, if this is actual private plan enrollments through the federal marketplace,” Tim Jost, a professor at William & Mary, told ThinkProgress. “I am surprised it is that high. But I hope it picks up for November and takes off for December. ”

3. The Massachusetts experience predicted low early enrollment. In the first four months of enrollment in Commonwealth Care — the Massachusetts health care exchange for subsidized care — 15,560 of an estimated 80,000 uninsured who qualified for coverage signed up and after the first full year, one-third of the total eligible population — 122,000 people — became insured. The road to nearly universal coverage was gradual, as enrollment didn’t fully ramp up until almost a year after the initial rollout. Significantly, early enrollment data also showed a high number of Medicaid enrollees.


4. New public programs slowly ramp up to coverage. “Enrollment in new programs begins slowly and often takes several months to build momentum,” said Avalere CEO Dan Mendelson. Indeed, The Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) and President George W. Bush’s Medicare Part D experienced this very same enrollment pattern. As Stan Dorn, a Senior Fellow at the Urban Institute’s Health Policy Center, told ThinkProgress, “It’s like any other human activity, it takes time to figure out how to do it right. CHIP, a bipartisan Clinton-era initiative that primarily provides health insurance to children in families with incomes too high to qualify for Medicaid, initially fell far short of enrollment goals and more than half of the seniors who signed up for Medicare Part D didn’t do so until after the initial enrollment period and enrolled despite the Bush administration’s well-publicized initial glitches in extending coverage to low-income beneficiaries.

5. The government didn’t market Obamacare. Given the technical glitches plaguing the site, the administration and outside groups couldn’t deploy a big public campaign urging uninsured people to sign-up for coverage and did not run a heavy media campaign in the 36 states where the federal government is operating the exchanges. As a result, news about reform was saturated by the website’s problems and likely depressed enrollment.

6. People less likely to sign up now for coverage that begins in January. “One would assume that people who are older and in poorer health would be the most persistent, at least initially, in navigating the federal website despite all the glitches and inability to complete the process,” Edwin Park, Vice President for Health Policy at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, said. This may be part of the reason why the insurance risk pools are coming in older than originally predicted. Administration officials say they expect younger people to enroll in coverage closer to the deadline (and when the first bill is due).

RingoLapua
RingoLapua


So, ignorance is not dead and Obamacare will proceed towards it's obvious demise.  The socialist Obamacare supporters will never admit a mistake and in the end all they will say when dazed and beaten is "WHA WHAT HAPPENED".  So remember that no matter what facts you tell them, they will never comprehend or understand why.  These people are one way socialists robots with programmed data which they will never purge from their narrow minds.  Don't try to change them, simply pity them. Just make sure that you Vote them out when you have had enough of their false fantasies and lies.  There is no perfect world and no Democrat (no matter what they promise you) can ever make this country into a heaven on earth.  For every bit of good there has to be the same amount of bad---That's just the way life works, so get used to it.

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

If anybody is interested in how and why Obamacare became a BUST, just read some of the brain numbing comments from the socialists below.  It's easy to see who they are and if you are blind or cannot read, sniff hard and you can smell them.

aztecian
aztecian

what's with the rednecks at the banjo concert.  are these the rich 1%er rednecks who don't need anything?  most redneck states are on federal govt assistance at all levels. 

romerjt
romerjt

I'm pretty sure the website will get fixed.  I'm a little less sure the ACA will work well and without more unintended consequences (like you can keep your coverage)  but if I were a Republican I would go a little easy on the bashing fest  . . .  imagine this works out and becomes popular  . . could be the death of the Rep party as we know it.  Be afraid, very afraid.

Cashma
Cashma

All the media has talked about for over a month is that the software is not ready, it's hard to sign up and that all is expected to be fixed by the end of November.  So why is the result to date surprising!  Were millions of people really just expected to sit "on hold" for 30 days? 

barneydidit
barneydidit

That's OK, I'll just get on my state's exchange and get my coverage there...Oh...wait...that's right, I live in Texas, or Arizona, or Alabama, or Arkansas or any one of two dozen conservative states that have refused to offer it's citizens access to health insurance on the state level because....uhm....I guess because Obamacare would work better if that happened?

LeahPetersen
LeahPetersen

Did I miss where they acknowledge in this article that plenty of us will sign up, we're just waiting until the website issues have been fixed? Most people COULDN'T sign up in the first month because of the technical issues. That doesn't mean we won't in the months left in the enrollment period.

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

Hey, don't complain!  50,000 is 10,000 more people than those igorant peeps who stayed in New Orleans when the city evacuated because of Katrina.  Hey, it could be the same people plus some offspring....yah nevah nevah know.  Wait until the majority of working Americans aka the peeps who work hard and pay their taxes... GET THEIR NEW OBAMACARE BILLS!  That's when the fun starts.  I CAN'T WAIT (sooo exciting).

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

Anyone care to remind us how this compares to what the enrollment was in Mass months before the insurance was actually available. Here's a hint, most people don't want to pay a first month's premium months before they actually get the coverage. Watch what happens as the coverage date approaches and get back to us. The above article is lazy journalism at its finest.

jowayne
jowayne

@drudown your a idiot  it would seem.not campaign promises ,promises  made since 2010 ,selling to the public, ,can keep what you got if you like it,2500 lower  premums, keep your doctors,all lies,,obama a hugh lier ,like harry,nancy ,clintons ,all socialists  liers,spread the wealth ,mandates ect. coverups ,and lies, irs,benghazi,fast an furious guns to mexican cartels ,nsa ,ect. whole bunch   worthless but idiots like your self keep them in office.

TomD
TomD

@BretVarcados So, I come up with a great product, that only cost 1 cent to make, but I can only make 100 pieces a day. The demand out there at 1$ a piece is for 5000 pieces a day. Again, at this point in my business, I can only make 100 pieces a day... 

In your world, I should not be allowed to adjust my price until I satisfy demand and accumulate funds that would allow me to expand, correct? 

You are brilliant. 

You can play with the costs/ prices until you get to understand how wrong your philosophy is. 

There are many reasons why the healthcare system is so messed up, price is hardly one of them. 

Now, if you asked yourself how is it possible for health related products to be so high without more competition popping on the market, you would probably be able to start a more meaningful conversation. 

As it is, our online conversation is just a waste of time. Which is why, I will end it here.


Have a good day.

BryceWard
BryceWard

@LadyinLA If this insurance plans are so bad why did the people buy them to begin with?

j45ashton
j45ashton

@RingoLapua Doctors, hospitals, even nurses have spoken against this,,,and the reason is clear.  A fence is slowly being put around what the medical establishment is charging and a magnifying glass is being put to all the tests doctors are ordering and under what circumstances. The greatest costs charged out to premiums for all of us come from tests and procedures done near end of life.  You have people who can't accept it's over when it's truly over.  Or people who don't have living wills who are asked to make decisions about their lives when they may be confused or not even understand what's going on.  All this is being looked at now.  Which means maybe your doctor or hospital administrator needs to think about driving a Ford instead of a Merecedes Benz.  And BTW not every doctor objects.  Some think it's practicing rational medicine.

barneydidit
barneydidit

@RingoLapua I don't suppose you'd like to share the source of you information with us would you Ringo? Doctors planning to privatize? Higher insurance premiums? Longer wait periods?  Sounds like the Fox News databank of info to me. 

lmnorsk65
lmnorsk65

The term to describe these people, sometimes attributed to Lenin, is useful idiots.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua

"no matter what facts you tell them"

When you come up with some facts to dispute what has been posted to refute your ridiculous statements, please by all means show us we are wrong.

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@RingoLapua Yet again please define Socialist. You keep using that word but I suspect you have no clue what it actually means.

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

Mantisdragon.... suggest you search Wikipedia.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua Says the guy who  claims the GOP and the medical industry had nothing to do with it. Even Fox News and Rush Limbaugh know the medical lobbyists had a great deal of influence with the ACA. Please explain your solution. "Piecemeal" is just as helpful as saying we will raise money by "the elimination of unspecified tax loopholes"

DanielGaddis
DanielGaddis

@romerjt   You mean like medicaid and food stamps? How's that working out?  Yeah, let's pay for babies, and give EBT raises for more babies-- which will be raised by many single moms who have little incentive to marry, and lose their benefits.  So little Johnny learns how to be dependent on government, instead of becoming the head of a household, and being responsible for those he brings into the world.

aztecian
aztecian

@romerjt that's right.  the thugs are about to go extinct and they know it.  this is their last fight.  fighting hard, but having no chance of reclaiming any significant power.  the future has been determined and it doesn't include obstructionist and baggers.

#libtardedamerica
#libtardedamerica

@Cashma  

the surprising part is that the most tech-savvy administration in history launched the site against the advice of their IT people to stoke obama's ego and, as a result, it's been a disaster. you might want to work on the reading comprehension skills a bit there 

BobJan
BobJan

@RingoLapua you'll be waiting as long as you've been waiting for your lottery tickets to bring home the "big one".

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

@mantisdragon91 $600 million for a website that does not work.  Outrageous?  No, because it falls in line with the entire "quick fix" shoved through Congress and speed signed by Obama (before even reading it) health care bill.  This Obamacare bill was drafted by AMATEURS with no medical experience.  Obama was a rabble rousing community organizer before ever being elected President and also had no medical industry experience.  Sort of like allowing your 5 year old child or grand child to drive your new car.  Both will result in a crash.  Gee I guess I'm being racist but I really do not hate white people or any other people, I just want some common sense. The DEMS need to man up and admit the whole thing is a bust and start all over. This time the right way, piece by piece.

davidknowles2
davidknowles2

@mantisdragon91 An why they can't just wait until we get the official figures sometime this week. Sound like another "leak" aimed at sinking ACA.

drudown
drudown

@jowayne @drudown 

I don't follow you. 

You cite a bunch of nonsense. NOTHING referenced FINANCIALLY prejudiced the People. Nor can you credibly cite to the "NSA" program that was put in place by the GOP. Nor is there any "cost/benefit" analysis, much less reference to the GOP policies that are far, far worse for the People and State. 

You're lying as you purport to cite dishonesty in government. Say, do you work on K street?

rpdflyer
rpdflyer

@j45ashton @RingoLapua Honestly,  that is ignorant - on so many levels.  But most egregious is to think that people will spend 10+ years of there life in rigorous training to be doctors and spend thousands for an education without the incentive of being rewarded for their efforts financially.  And will accept driving Fords so socialists like you can feel better about your own sorry lot.  The result will be there are significantly fewer doctors. 

DanielGaddis
DanielGaddis

My mom, who is 72, got her letter of cancellation from her insurance company.  They gave her a choice of three new plans which comply with the affordable healthcare act--all higher.  It would stand to reason that if you include all pre-existing conditions, and subsidize the poor, you're going to have higher health premiums.

DanielGaddis
DanielGaddis

@lmnorsk65 Yes, keep them alive, so they can vote.  Feed and house them, and then tell them how much working taxpayers hate them.  

barneydidit
barneydidit

@jason024 @RingoLapua We will balance the budget by "the elimination of unspecified tax loopholes...that we'll specify for you AFTER we're elected". 

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

@BobJan @RingoLapua You are right Bob, it probably won't get past the sign up stage.  If Obama & Co. would have taken on health care reform a step at a time, rather than trying to corral the entire health care and insurance industries he would have been successful.  A blend of ignorance, ego and greed for power prevented the socialists from using common sense when drafting this hurry up, no experience necessary health care bill.   Really, I do not care what side of the fence you are on, but the Obamacare bill was doomed before it was signed.  Recommend that Congress works on a replacement and repeals Obamacare before this White Whale drags us all down into the depths of hell. Perhaps Congress and Obama can SAVE FACE.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 Start over with what exactly?  The preferred liberal solution is single payer yet we all know the GOP will refuse it. You can't allow people with preexisting conditions access w/o finding a way to share costs...you see, most if not all of these pieces are intertwined whether you like it or not. 

Should we improve it? YES but blowing it up for what was even worse before and praying the GOP will cooperate with piecemeal steps is hardly a solution.


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Obama was a rabble rousing community organizer before ever being elected President and also had no medical industry experience

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So Obama didn't have a team of people WITH history in the medical community help him out? Hmmmm

barneydidit
barneydidit

@RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 Start over? Obamacare IS a start over. The Democrats in the House in 09 came up with 3 other health care reform options prior to the ACA, and Republicans in the Senate filibustered ALL of them (well, technically they threatened to filibuster two, after actually filibustering the first).  Maybe if Republicans actually participated in the process rather than simply declaring our health care system to be "the best in the world", we would have gotten something better than the ACA. 

mantisdragon91
mantisdragon91

@RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 The law was the best that could be done based upon resistance of the GOP that did everything possible to obstruct all progress, even shutting down our government. Could the law be better? Absolutely. However you play the cards you are dealt with and the GOP will never allow another health care law to pass the House as long as the Tea Party zealots hold such a large sway there.

j45ashton
j45ashton

@rpdflyer @j45ashton @RingoLapua Yeah...I'm no socialist.  That's for sure.  Maybe you haven't had the experience of having an incapacitated loved one in in the hospital who is beyond hope and then discover that doctors have been paying useless visits, conducting useless exams and tests and then billing like there's no tomorrow...billing when they've spent no more than a 2-3 min visit.   Why don't you come back &comment when you've had a little more experience with those doctors who gouge you for everything they can get.

Barb
Barb

@jason024 @RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 You are right the GOP does not want single payer however the left could not get enough votes to pass it when they controlled the House and the Senate. That's how we ended up with this mess they settled for and did not read before they passed it.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua 

Ah the "I am an independent centrist" excuse while spouting incoherent Tea Party Talking Points  (yes every single one of your "claims" are from the conservatives)....yet whining about how everything is broken. When you come up with a real solution please let us know.

barneydidit
barneydidit

@RingoLapua @jason024 @mantisdragon91 Where are you getting the "socialism' aspect to this issue Ringo? There's nothing socialistic whatsoever about the ACA, that's just one of those buzzwords conservatives like to throw out there at every turn, regardless of it's accuracy to the subject. 

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

@jason024 @RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 This is not about the Democrats vs the GOP.  The GOP do not like Obamacare which is true, but the GOP is also part of the problem.  Actually, this is about the Democrats Super Socialists vs the educated American taxpayers (who aren't being bought by welfare).  Once the majority of Americans realize how much you idealistic fuzzy thinking Democrats have screwed them over, your time in power will be short.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua @mantisdragon91 If you want to be pissed that the ACA isn't perfect, go right ahead. The GOP had input and can't claim "they never got a chance"  Even the cynic in me knows the healthcare industry had a great deal to do with this mess. How do you think it didn't come down harder on them? Because liberals are so benevolent? 

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

@mantisdragon91 @RingoLapua You guys smoke mari-juana? Right? and both of you think the moon is made of "Green Cheese".   Enjoy..... you will never know what hits you when the public fully realizes what your freaky reps have done, but then it will be too late.

jason024
jason024

@RingoLapua @mantisdragon91

Per our good friend Grape_crush Patently false:

"According to a HELP Committee document about bipartisan aspects of the health reform bill the committee passed July 15, 2009, its final bill included '161 Republican amendments,' including 'several amendments from Senators [Mike] Enzi [R-WY], [Tom] Coburn [R-OK], [Pat] Roberts [R-KS] and others [that] make certain that nothing in the legislation will allow for rationing of care,' and reflected the efforts of 'six bipartisan working groups' that 'met a combined 72 times' in 2009 as well as '30 bipartisan hearings on health care reform' since 2007, half of which were held in 2009 [HELP Committee document, 7/09]. And according to the Senate Finance Committee's September 22, 2009, document detailing the amendments to the Chairman's Mark considered, at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican senators were included in the bill."

RingoLapua
RingoLapua

@mantisdragon91 @RingoLapua The GOP and the medical industry did not have one iota of input in the Obamacare act which was solely drafted by amateur idealistic socialist Democrats and then shoved down the throats of the American people.  Even Obama admitted that he signed it before reading it.  What does that tell you?  You people live in fantasy land.  Either make the correct changes NOW or you will all pay the price later.  Time is on my side....yes it is.  Ti i  i ime is on my side.


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