NRA’s Wayne LaPierre: ‘Good Guys With Guns’ Could Have Stopped Navy Yard Shooting

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The reason alleged gunman Aaron Alexis was able to kill 12 people last week in the Washington Navy Yard shooting was that “there weren’t enough good guys with guns” present, National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday.

“When the good guys with guns got there, it stopped,” he said.

LaPierre said more military-facility personnel need to be armed to prevent such attacks. He also criticized the nation’s treatment of the mentally ill. “They need to be committed, is what they need to be, and if they’re committed, they’re not at the Navy Yard,” he said.

President Obama is scheduled to meet with families of the shooting victims and speak at a memorial service at the Washington Navy Yard on Sunday evening.

[NBC]

129 comments
DrBobWilson
DrBobWilson

HOW did anyone, ANYONE, get a long arm into this building? All comments aside, all insults, HOW did this get into the building? Address that first.

KrondarGemstone
KrondarGemstone

The NRA doesn't even look out for the rights of gun owners. The Gun Owners of America is the true no-compromise organization. 2A activists should all check them out.

HipshotPercussion
HipshotPercussion

The Question We Should Be Asking About Gun Violence We all agree the violence needs to stop. Left, Right, it doesn't matter, the violence needs to stop. How do we accomplish that?  First, identify the problem. I don't think many sane people would disagree that the mental instability of so many of the shooters is problem one. Now, this is where we need to start - identify and help those that have these kinds of problems.    http://newgunnerjournal.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-question-we-should-be-asking-about.html

lenie.adolphson
lenie.adolphson

Sherry from PT. you are correct, the problem with the NRA is that its always the argument that gun violence and criminals who have easy access to guns is not the problem, but in fact it IS the problem, the framers who constructed the 2nd Amendment could have never imagined that there would be the level of gun violence we see in the U.S today.  However, no one is discussing repeal, its a matter of common sense.  Everything in America is regulated or controlled, but somehow guns should not be??/?   Even after mass murders, there is no level of responsibility, clearly gun control would not stop every murder or every rampage, However, even it stops one murder is it not worth it, no one is saying that law abiding people should not be able to get a gun, but there needs to be REAL background checks and mental illness checks. Finally, why do I have to depend on a "Good Guy" with a gun to protect me when a Bad Guy should NOT have access to a gun, plus Who is the good guy, what if we all think its a good guy when its a bad guy, what if I am somewhere where people do not have guns, should first graders have guns, what if the teacher is the bad guy.  Its ridiculous, we need sensible gun control that screens people like you do when you get a damm dog.

SherryfromPT
SherryfromPT

It’s time to take off the kid gloves.

With every mass slaughter, the NRA just gets bolder, more self-righteous, and more rigidly opposed to gun control.

But the NRA lies. Guns don’t make us safe. Guns in the home are 22 times more likely to kill or injure by accident, domestic violence, and suicide than by self-protection.

Guns have killed 24,980 people since the Newtown massacre.

The NRA saying guns make us safer is like the old tobacco lobby saying cigarettes are good for our health.

We need a massive, coordinated ad campaign juxtaposing false NRA platitudes with images of murdered children. Videos of gun mishaps at firing ranges and trade shows. Interviews with inconsolable mothers of teenagers who committed instant suicide with guns. Kids who accidentally killed their cousins. Hundreds of women shot by abusers. Have the guy in the crowd when Gabby Giffords was shot tell how he didn't get his gun out because he knew he'd be mistaken for the shooter.

The poster boy for this ad campaign should be an enraged NRA member aggressively demanding no limits to his Second Amendment right to assault rifles just in case he needs to defend himself from his government. This NRA poster boy will be easy to find. They’re everywhere, they’re shameless, and they're scarier than criminals. (You will find many of them replying to this comment.) 
 

It’s not time to give up. It’s time to stop pulling punches. The NRA has become their lunatic fringe. They, and no other person or group, deserves the stigma and the blame for gun violence. Air the ads.Tens of thousands of lives depends on it.

slofiredon
slofiredon

Didn't the "Bad Guy" take his shotgun and shoot the "Good Guys" and take their AR15 and automatic pistol and shoot more "Good Guys"?   It seems that Democratic VP Joe Biden recommended using shotguns over automatic weapons and he is proven correct; the shotgun was the more efficient tool in this incident. La Pierre never warned us of this possibility!!

Please....Please remember that the AK47 is a cheap, foreign invented and produced automatic rifle and should not be sold in the USA!  Buy and use USA made and certified weapons only, you can't trust the warranty on foreign made products. Just think how embarrassing it would be to have your foreign made automatic weapon jam in a firefight at the mall with a "Bad Guy" and he blew you away with a USA made shotgun.

                                                  Be Strong...Not Proven Wrong....Be Arm Strong!

wglieb60
wglieb60

Imagine 100 good guys trying to figure out who is good and who is bad.  Even the police raid the wrong house.

We have mental health problem, not a gun problem.  But it is easier to control guns (perhaps) than people.

Jeffro1969
Jeffro1969

Consider all the alternatives:  

1. We can lock up thousands of mentally ill people who are completely harmless, depriving people of their freedom on the off chance they might be dangerous, and even so we will still miss the homicidal maniacs like Aaron Alexis.  That won't work. 

2. We can impose strict gun controls, depriving hundreds of millions of law-abiding citizens who are completly harmless of their rights, doing grave damage to the republic - no wait, actually we already did that.  The Navy Yard is a gun-free zone inside a gun-free zone.  So is Chicago.  That doesn't work. 

3.  We can relax the unworkable gun control schemes, and allow those highly trained men and women who walk the streets with automatic weapons overseas to defend themselves here at home.  We can never prevent every homicidal maniac from attempting mass murder, but we can create a much less friendly environment in which to operate.  People forget - when Charles Whitman was shooting from the clock tower in Austin, TX he only had a short window of opportunity before civilians and police on the streets below began shooting back, which ended his ability to pick off targets at his leisure because he had to keep his head down.  


MrsDogood
MrsDogood

Many argue that we can end “gun violence” by enacting stricter government control and regulation of firearms: we will trade some of the freedoms of individuals for greater protection and security by our government and its administrations.

When did we become a nation who is willing to give an INCH on ANY freedoms that our forefathers fought with their lives to secure for their families, their neighbors, and their nation?  We are the sons and daughters of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin… of all our founding fathers, and all of those who have in the brief history of our nation fought for our freedoms that many take for granted today.  Will we truly give up our freedom one piece at a time until the America that we fought for is no more?

Mr. Obama makes an attempt to align himself with influential leaders of the past and quotes President Kennedy frequently.  I have a counter-quote from the same man that I would like the American people to contemplate:  "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission." JFK

Men and women, leaders and citizens, of every previous generation of Americans have seen and felt the impact of what it truely means to be free... will our children's future be as free as our forefathers wanted ours to be?

laugh.or.retch
laugh.or.retch

Most people don't want to go everywhere armed. Most people don't want to have to take their guns grocery shopping or to the movies.

I'd really like to hear some constructive suggestions from the gun lobby other than "buy more of our products and carry them everywhere". Anyone?

Rwing2
Rwing2

I've been reading comments and see a lot of anti gun comments filled with incorrect facts and assumptions. I don't agree with LaPierre about mental health. I think it needs to be identified and treated. I think it needs to be made easily and inexpensively available to anyone with no stigma attached. The US gets a rap for having such high gun death rates. However, statistics show that Belgium, France, Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovenia, Finland, Denmark, Croatia, Austria, Bulgaria, and Switzerland are European and Asian countries on the mainland, that have higher violent death rates than the US. Most of these countries have stricter gun laws. These don't include countries that are islands or on other continents. That list can be significantly added to if you consider the violent crime rate. Countries that implemented strict gun control see their violent crime rates increase significantly after passing gun control laws. Those facts come from a Harvard University Law School gun study. 

We constantly hear how mass shooting are getting worse. However, the number of mass shootings in this decade are quite a few LESS than they were in the 90's. 

Also, emotion after a shooting have politicians and liberals calling for stricter gun control laws and more gun free zones. With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns. READ THAT AGAIN. 

dryhole
dryhole

The Second Amendment has a purpose. The right to keep and bear arms is it's escence. Is LaPierre an extremest? Yes. Are Obama, Feinstein, Biden, Clinton, Boxster, etc. extremists? Yes. Who's fighting for your rights? Dam sure isn't your elected officials!

ktharned
ktharned

Listen up all you gun grabbing morons. If just one law abiding citizen was armed and could have put that maniac down and possibly saved just one of those lives, that's better than no chance at all.

CaseyPeterson
CaseyPeterson

Gun grabbers, listen up... your arguments are old, tired, futile, and with the advent of 3D printing... are now moot.  All Americans have the right, and the means, to arm themselves.  Get over it, quit living your life in fear, and quit trying to take my rights away.  I do not have to subject myself to anyone's scrutiny.  I do not have to relinquish my medical records, my personal information, my reasons for wanting to own a variety of guns... these are my protected rights.

So quit crying about it.  You'll feel better when you do... promise ;)

laugh.or.retch
laugh.or.retch

NRA needs a name change to NRMA - National Rifle Marketing Association.

CKCalmer
CKCalmer

Headline:  NRA’s Wayne LaPierre: ‘Good Guys With Guns’ Could Have Stopped Navy Yard Shooting

I'll agree, if he'll agree that an I.Q. test should be incorporated into determining who the "good guy" will be.  The point is that an armed unintelligent person with good intentions can cause more harm than good, and we should reasonably assure that in the role of defender we have not only a person with good intentions, but a SMART person with good intentions in order to provide the best possible protection for the public.

msmith97.emerald
msmith97.emerald

dOES lApIERRE EVER THINK ABOUT WHAT HE SAYS, OR DOES THE GUN INDUSTRY JUST SHOVE THEIR HANDS UP HIS ASS AND MAKE HIS MOUTH MOVE?

DaveOldman
DaveOldman

Aaron Alexis was a good guy with gun until he started randomly shooting people.  LaPierre wants to arm more good guys so the day that they become a bad guy and start killing people, they won't be slowed down by having to buy a gun. 

How come the NSA did not detect this guy, we have apparently roll over and allowed the government to read our email and listen to our conversation under the pretense of keeping us safe, meanwhile guys are shooting up schools, malls, theatres  and workplaces and the government doesn't have a clue.


rexnmeeya
rexnmeeya

This Pierre guy is just an immaturely born idiot, exploited by other idiots like NRA, industry, etc., who essentially says that the annual wildlife fire disasters could be prevented if we had a lot of  small fires going on all the time everywhere in the woods so that they could be used to burn out preemptively the woods around once something big was about to spread.  Do you see the glaring stupidity in this argument?  No?  If you nod to this guy's mentality, that's the proof that you are immaturely born too.

Charlie468
Charlie468

Sure Wayne, tell that to the family of the "good guy" shot in the head so the shooter could take his revolver from his "cold dead hands". LaPierre is a shill for the gun manufacturers.

MC
MC

What a troll.

leonvang
leonvang

Wayne La Pierre is a prime example  of a psychotic sociopath that should be committed if we had stricter laws for committing the mentally ill.

LocalCrank
LocalCrank

"And we will oppose any effort to keep bad guys from getting guns."

ArmandWinter
ArmandWinter

LaPew is an idiot. The gun shot the good guys with a shotgun and stole the good guys guns.

JessePinkman
JessePinkman

I love LaPierre's stance on mental health.  Let's just commit everyone who has a condition.  God forbid we properly diagnose, manage and medicate mental illnesses in this country so they can be contributing healthy members of society.  Just stick them in prison instead.  Problem solved.

mindfulwhim
mindfulwhim

Many gun advocates think that education, public safety and social services are over-funded. They believe that governments that provide these services to the citizenry are "Socialist" and tyrannical.

Paranoid, stupid or both? You be the judge.

mindfulwhim
mindfulwhim

Many gun advocates believe that creating policies that provide healthcare for American Citizens is government tyranny.

Paranoid, stupid or both? You be the judge.

KrondarGemstone
KrondarGemstone

@wglieb60 how about the guy shooting at everyone in a lunchroom from an elevated position? I think the consensus would be made pretty quickly

bawgs
bawgs

You are absolutely right, we should flood our streets with guns. So there's at least ten good guys with guns for every bad guy with a gun. Oh wait, we've already done that. To use your own words, that doesn't work.

AdolfSchmidt
AdolfSchmidt

@laugh.or.retch It's called a choice! It's what free people do! If a person decided not to carry and a situation arises, that a choice that person has to live with! It's still better than having that choice removed for you!

Superbarnie
Superbarnie

@laugh.or.retch

Contrary to popular belief, only a very small percentage of the NRA's funding comes from gun manufacturers.


dryhole
dryhole

@CKCalmer Let' go ahead and include your rationale for the first amendment. Guess who does not get to post anymore.

CaseyPeterson
CaseyPeterson

@CKCalmer So, if someone has a low intelligence they are just easy targets for criminals?  Fantastic logic. 

Superbarnie
Superbarnie

@msmith97.emerald 

Contrary to popular belief, only a very small percentage of the NRA's funding comes from gun manufacturers.

Rwing2
Rwing2

@rexnmeeya  immaturely born idiot, wildlife fires, burn out preemptively the woods around? Do you see the glaring stupidity in those phrases? That's the proof that you are immaturely born too.  LOL

Rwing2
Rwing2

@JessePinkman I've been reading some of the comments and this is the first one I've come across that makes any sense and I can agree with. 

mindfulwhim
mindfulwhim

@JessePinkman Better yet, let's make doctors responsible for reporting, to a national database, every single person who has ever gone to counseling for any reason. That would make sure that nobody would ever seek treatment and that psychiatric practitioners would have to carry billions of dollars in malpractice insurance.

Good thinking.

KrondarGemstone
KrondarGemstone

@bawgs sounds like he was referring to former service members being granted permits to carry. I'd be okay with that, as long as they don't have anything less than an honorable discharge

laugh.or.retch
laugh.or.retch

Marketing an entire industry doesn't only mean manufactures, dealers are much more numerous. Only 1/2 the NRA's funding comes from member fees and personal donations. The other half is from selling member info to and donations from gun dealers rather than directly from gun manufacturers.

JessePinkman
JessePinkman

@mindfulwhim @JessePinkman So, you're creating your own argument, disagreeing with the validity of your argument and then trying to make it look like it's my idea.  I'm guessing you didn't take debate class in high school.

laugh.or.retch
laugh.or.retch

@AdolfSchmidt @laugh.or.retch If you're going to be insulting - you sound like someone that only feels like a man if he's holding a gun. Just remember, holding a gun doesn't make you bulletproof so that feeling of power is a lie.

AdolfSchmidt
AdolfSchmidt

@laugh.or.retch @AdolfSchmidt  I'm suggesting make a choice, comfort or security! I'm suggesting there is nobody responsible for your safety but you! Sure there are law enforcement officers that will arrive in about 20 minutes on average, a hour in the case of the shipyard! You don't sound like someone with a family! I can hear you say" watch out for the bullets baby! The police will be hear in 20 minutes!" 

KrondarGemstone
KrondarGemstone

@laugh.or.retch so when you sign up for the NRA, be sure not to check the box that says "I give the NRA permission to provide me with e-mail updates and exclusive offers from 3rd party vendors"

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