A One-Time SEAL on Those Female SEAL-Wannabes

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All-male Navy SEALs training along the southern California coast.

The decision to scrap the Direct Ground Combat Definition and Assignment Rule of 1994 by then-defense secretary Leon Panetta earlier this year did not immediately put women into combat.

But it has led to Pentagon review of how best to open up the military to women without watering down its readiness to fight. Regarding the future role of women in the the Navy SEALs and other special-operations roles, it simply directed commanders to “proceed in a deliberate, measured, and responsible way to provide women the opportunity to qualify for currently closed (ground combat) positions.”

The services have to come up with plans to integrate females by October 2015. Recent directives have spelled out how this is going to take place.

A ground-breaking directive like this back in the 1990s might have caught the Navy SEALs, and those who train Navy SEALs, off guard.

Before 9/11, SEAL training was difficult and highly-selective by any standard. But it also was tradition-bound and lacked the wartime-driven imperatives that today mark SEAL training.

The last decade-plus of continuous combat operations and the current train-like-you-fight/fight-like-you-train approach have greatly improved the SEAL training pipeline. In Basic Underwater SEAL demolition/SEAL training (BUD/S) and SEAL qualification training (SQT) and subsequent SEAL training, the focus has been on what works and what doesn’t work–what is needed in the battlespace and what can be discarded because there’s a better way.

So what is essential to them in the making of a Navy SEAL in the Global War on Terror is in place. Furthermore, it’s been codified in blood.

The standard is in place. Meet this standard and you can qualify to be a Navy SEAL.

So in this way the Navy SEALs (as with the Army Special Forces, 75th Rangers, and Marine Special Operators) have made their warrior standard very clear. Tactically, technically, physically, and professionally, this is what it takes. Do this, sir or ma’am, and you can be one of us.

Yet, there may be more to it than this. I’ll not go into the particulars of upper body strength, hygiene, lack of privacy, sexual tensions, reproductive biology, etc., etc. These will sort themselves out in the sorting process that is BUD/S and SQT.

In my opinion, there are but three issues:

– First, the standards in place are combat-proven standards – there can be no slackening of standards. The run times and pull-up minimums are the same for all. On the 100-yard buddy-carry sprint–I carry you and your combat load and you carry me; it doesn’t matter if I’m a 150-pound SEAL (which I was) or a 220-pound SEAL, as many are today. Your life and mine depend on my ability to get you out of a kill zone and safely to cover. There can be no compromise.
– Second, those women who can meet this standard have to do so in more than ones or twos. It is unreasonable to open training to 200 women to find two who can meet standard.
– Third, and finally, there is the cultural issue. Do we as a nation, and an American culture, want our mothers, sisters, and daughters in the business of sustained, direct, mortal, combat?

Is this the will of the people?

If we, as a nation and a culture, do, then so be it. Let the women in the fight.

Dick Couch is a leading authority on U.S. military special-operations training.  His books include The Warrior Elite: The Forging of SEAL Class 228 and Sua Sponte, Army Ranger Training.

73 comments
EMcG
EMcG

Your strength and muscle mass are not solely determined by your gender. If you work muscles, the will get bigger and stronger. Having woman parts does not render you incapable of developing upper body strength. Lifting ten pound dumbbells and power walking is not going to increase your upper body strength. I have no trouble doing pull ups. Why? Because I work on them. Some things are going to be harder for you. Not because you're a woman, but because you're human. Train  harder, work harder, and when you feel like you are going to die, keep going. Stop using your Anatomy as an excuse. Having female anatomy is not a disability. 

EMcG
EMcG

I am a female, and I have been kicking and screaming, and beating the door down about this issue. It is my dream to be part of a special operations team. Many say that they had a calling to be a SEAL or a Ranger. I have that same calling. However, I do not like the direction that many of the discussions about integration have gone in. All I want is opportunity. I would not feel like I was capable if standards had to be changed or lowered for me to pass a school. Put the women in with the men that they will have to fight beside during training. Only take the best, even if there are only a few. If a female just so happens to pass, give her the title that she has earned. We should not be limited by our gender, but by our ability to get the job done. Until then, there is no gender equality. Ladies, we are not entitled to different standards for the same job. If we want to be equals, we must demand to be treated as such.

DocMcFoody
DocMcFoody

I want to clarify my statement, "...then the standards must remain exactly where they are while only making changes to accommodate our different physiology and anatomy."  Women have more lower body muscle mass than men and men have more upper body muscle mass than women. There will have to be changes in training to address a woman 's anatomy without sacrificing the standard.


DocMcFoody
DocMcFoody

I was born and raised in the military and called it home for most of my life and I'm a woman. If females want to engage in SEAL training, then the standards must remain exactly where they are while only making changes to accommodate our different physiology and anatomy. Our military is the finest fighting force on the face of the Earth for one reason. It is a strong chain. You can not put weak links into a chain and expect it to remain the same.


I'm all for women doing any job in the military as long as she can do the job. You wouldn't expect someone with no computer training or aptitude to be in intel or someone with bad eye sight and a fear of heights to fly Black Hawks. As for the male and female thought process being different, why is that automatically a detriment? Gender differences are no different from cultural differences and the military tolerates that just fine. Training hones skill, weeds out the weak and forges a team. A team of all female SEALs is ridiculous. Lets do that and then watch the rest of the world laugh at us. -.-

I doubt there will be every female signing up but there will be a few and out of that, some will make it. At that point, she'll be a team member and not a walking vagina. To think that introducing females into male units will create a sexual disaster, undermines the maturity and mental toughness that SEALs possess. Granted, there will be a few males who are resistant to change but they will adapt. Just as racists had to adapt to people of colour watching their six.

Our military is still evolving and I believe there will be many positive changes in it in the future. So I am against changing the physical and mental standards. To all of you women who throw the word "misogynist" around as if you use it in everyday conversation, stop it. Most men are not out to get you or hold you back. Maybe if you saw men as equals, you wouldn't be so insecure about your own abilities.

MarisaOates
MarisaOates

First to DanielCMalloy-my apologies for misquoting. ..you were joking about the Demi Moore comment and I totally agree with you and I agree with most of the posts on here except for Mcoopa's hurt feelings re: the the libtard phrase used...would liberal idiot full of ignorance hurt your feelings less? Funny how your posting your opinions about NAVY SEALS and you get hurt over a name you were called. Moving on to the evil.aaron--I'm a female and we get epidurals (unless you're an idiot and go natural) for childbirth. I've never served in the military but I'm pretty sure that you can't ask for an epidural when you feel pain. In fact your statements are so ridiculous It's too annoying to respond so please, just shut her down. And to whomever suggested there be a separate team of female "seals?" Why in a 17 trillion deficit us minute would we pay to have a team of female seals go do a job the REAL seals can do 100x better and faster? Not to mention that being around a bunch of women all day, every day is a ridiculous proposal. We'd kill eachother before we even started a mission. Lastly, Podscorb, since I am a girl and I'm allowed to get my feelings hurt on here..or rather take offense to a comment, your comment about women quitting when we think we at the end of our rope? Sir, you are wrong. I'm not a quitter. My Father raised to be a Lady but not a Quitter. That being said, again let me state that I don't believe women have the physical or mental toughness to be a Seal or in Frontline Combat. The United States Military is the best in the world...why are we trying to muck things up? I forgot, Obama is POTUS.

MarisaOates
MarisaOates

I have read the article and the comments and I want to state my opinion. To the girl who referenced Demi Moore making the seals in "Gi Jane" that was a movie. Second, Feminists say what you want but Feminism is hurting our Country Morally and now it's jeapordizing our Security and so I'm going to be blunt, very blunt. A gentleman above made a great point; can we women carry a 250 lb man out of the kill zone ("as fast" (for feminist who argue they can carry a 250+ lb man) and that's dead weight so you will be carrying what will feel like 350lbs. I'm going to say not a chance ladies.

You claim that women should be allowed to serve their Country and try out for BUDS training (which sorry but you would all ring out within 5 minutes) yet you contradict yourselves. If you cared about your Country you would never jeapordize what makes our seals great, safe, and the best by ignoring what they have stated--we jeapordize their framework because we are women. Death is hard enough, and the feminist who suggest we be allowed to pass training(no women ever could) and then have them see us blown to pieces while they drag our bodies out of the kill zone hits them on a mental level. They pride themselves on the brotherhood that they have worked hard for and built throughout the years.

So ladies, We will Never be Seals. We don't have the strength, muscle mass, particularly upper body strength, we get emotional(even feminist) and we jeapordize the Safety of all those who have earned the title of Navy Seal. It's time to end this selfish campaign of feminism and realize that life is fair. We can't go into their locker rooms, and they can't come into ours. Sounds fair to me?

SonjaSharp
SonjaSharp

I consider myself an educated, open-minded, and objective female. I firmly agree that there are limitations on both genders, however, this article really made me realise the extent of the limitations of those that suffer from misogyny to take an objective stance and their ability to reason coherently when it comes to arguing gender issues.The first point bears merit in that standards must be kept. However, should a female meet these standards, would she not have to go through the same selection and training process as a male? Are there not many males that apply for seals (say for argument sake 200) and is it not the case that there are few that make it? Which brings me to the second point. As far as I understand, from my readings and brief research into the process, there is stringent training involved from which you either make it or don't. Is it not the case that despite the rigorous selection process the attrition rate is relatively high? If this is correct, which is reported to be the case in a variety of valid and authentic resources, then surely the comment about one or two females from 200 meeting the standards is not justifiable??? Especially since there is no valid, empirical data to support such a hypothesis/statement. Finally, the third comment, "Do we as a nation (is the US so different to other countries where life is valued??? Are Americans so different to say Icelandic, British or South African people???) and an American culture, want our mothers, sisters, and daughters in the business of sustained, direct, mortal, combat?", is a misguided notion that only males should be allowed the right to protect, and that only males have a say in this dialogue. No one wants war, no one wants their child or spouse or parent to be in the line of fire, but who says it is the right of males only to protect their family, home or country??? Women are equally ferocious in wanting to protect, so why should they be denied the right to be given the right training and skills to do so, provided they meet the requirements so as not to jeopardize the team. Unfortunately there are those that just cannot be helped in their myopic perspective of the world, and one can only hope that with time maturity may improve such tendencies...although this may be optimistic.

ISIS
ISIS

NADIE  DIJO QUE BAJARAN LOS ESTANDARES PARA LAS MUJERES  EN UNA CARRERA MILITAR NOS ESTAN DANDO LA OPORTUDIDAD Y BIEN ECHO QUE  LO HACE . SI UNA MUJER QUIERE Y TIENE LA VOLUNTAD  PARA HACER Y LOGRARLO QUE LA DEJEN NO TIENEN QUE ESTAR CRITICANDO SI VA HACER CON UNAS VACACIONES EN EL INFIERNO PERO SI  CUAL QUIER  MUJER  SE LO PROPONE  Y NO RENUNCIAN  LO LOGRA  SOLO QUE TIENE QUE ESTAR PREPARADA PARA LO QUE LE TIREN. ESO SI SI LO LOGRAN QUE  TENGAN UN EQUIPO COMPUESTO DE MUJERES ... YO  LAS APOYO A TODA MUJER EN UNA CARRERA MILITAR  QUE TENGA  EL DESEO  PARA DEMOSTRAR QUE SI LO PUEDE HACER QUE NO SE DE POR VENCIDA 

POSDCORB
POSDCORB

Well as a man (and an old one) I have no sense of how  a woman "works"  but my experience suggest that she "quits"  when she thinks shes at the end of a rope.  (it is an experience we have).  A well motivated man does not quit if he still has a pulse.  He can't quit (who can he turn to?) So he goes on. You enemy is also like that (he does not quit until he has no pulse).  Can you "get" this?  Men geneally can.  Women generally cannot.

emeraldseatown
emeraldseatown

Unlike computer games, most of combat is spent getting to the fight.  Even today, lots of that movement is on foot, generally carrying a heavy pack.  Sometimes it involves running, again with the heavy pack.  Some units require swimming to get into battle.

After a long an exhausting transit, you might get to shoot someone, or you might get to hang out in a abandoned building or foxhole for a few days, waiting.  After all this, you get the same long walk or swim back to wherever you came from.

If you can't hack the physical fitness, nobody cares how good a shot you are.

Unfortunately, the history of human evolution is working against women, and no legislation can change that.

debussy0
debussy0

First two points are valid -- if the women qualify, they qualify according to existing standards. NO room for "affirmative action" here. But.... your third point reveals your ingrained misogny. Answer this:  Do we as a nation, and an American culture, want our fathers, brothers and sons in the business of sustained, direct, mortal, combat?

    Didn't think so.... Crickets chirping?


zos.the.goatherd
zos.the.goatherd

Honestly based on what I have read the change in policy has more to do with making sure that women who end up in combat get combat pay. In all probability we will see no women in the special forces, but by banning women from combat the military was ignoring the fairly common these days situations when women ended up in combat. It is easier to just make the whole thing a meritocracy - make the rule simple if you can do it you can do it - rather then stick with a system that tried to maintain the fiction that some soldiers never see combat. As for men and women thinking differently, that is one of those things we tell each other without much reason... I am still trying to figure out why the author believes putting a daughter in the line of fire is different from putting a son out there though. That is the kind of gender essentialist tripe that weakens his argument as it tries to appeal to emotions without any logical basis... If they want to fight and pass the same test men do let them serve - no special units, no special privileges, no special treatment...     

ironwolf56
ironwolf56

The modern politically correct military.  Combat effectiveness is a distant second to quotas and "feelings" I guess.

AndrewK777
AndrewK777

"Third, and finally, there is the cultural issue. Do we as a nation, and an American culture, want our mothers, sisters, and daughters in the business of sustained, direct, mortal, combat?"

No! And we don't want out sons there either. Stop this psychotic American culture of endless war.

SukeMadiq
SukeMadiq

150 pounds?   Was your husband a Seal too?

danielcmalloy
danielcmalloy

Wait a minute, Demi Moore passed SEAL team BUDS....:-)

valentine.godoflove
valentine.godoflove

IF OUR OWN ARMED FORCES ARE RAPING THEIR FELLOW SISTER SOLDIERS BY THE THOUSANDS........NOW .....EXPOSING THEM TO THE ENEMY......IF CAPTURED......WILL EXPOSE THEM TO .....MASSIVE GANG RAPE......LIKE WHTA HAPPENS IN WAR......AND WORSE.....SINCE THIER CAPTORS KNOW.....THAT THEY ARE KILLER SOLDIERS OUT TO KILL THEM......THEY WILL BE RAPED FIRST.....THEN TORURED TO A HORRIBLE DEATH....

SUCH IS WAR,,,,,,,

VALTNINE, MILITARY HISTORIAN, COMEDIAN...LOL

Michael_Veritas
Michael_Veritas

If women are able to compete  with men, why don't we have a single champion at the Wimbledon Championships? How about a single PGA golf champion. If we had a single winner in those competitions, no female would ever win a championship again. And, golf and tennis are two of the least physical games people play.

SwiftrightRight
SwiftrightRight

I find it interesting that the vast majority of the veterans and active duty poster support women in combat arms. furthermore  most (in this thread so far, all) poster who are against women in combat are civilians who have no idea what military life is like.

1st of all so far the military has not and shows no signs of lower physical standards. In fact the Army Airforce and (I think) the navy have increased the basic standards for women over the last 6 years. 

Most combat arms do not require any sort of herculean upper body strength. SEALS are elite for a reason folks ranting about how hardly any women could make the grade forget one vital point: The vast majority of MEN fail to make the grade. Not only do most men fail to get through BUDS but most men fail the test to get the honor of trying to pass BUDS.


kqhejv
kqhejv

Richard "Rogue Warrior" Marcinko said in his books that, apparently in the interest of unity & camaraderie, the seal teams drank each other's urine.  Was that just fanciful fiction, or will that tradition endure?

MKED56
MKED56

I have read all of the comments posted herewith and would like to express my views as well. But please people, don't go nuts on me. I am a strong admirer of the SEALS as well as other special tactical force units and I truly believe that they are the best of the best for a reason. Their training is unbelievable and the level of teamwork that exists is amazing. That being said, I do not believe that women should become SEALS UNLESS they are incorporated into their own unit. It's not rocket science to understand that men and women think differently. It has nothing to do with strength. Its just the way things are and I don't believe that an integrated team could think as one. I know several women who would make great SEALS and who could pass the physical challenges, but there is more than physical strength needed to make up a good SEAL team. I have no doubt in my mind either that women can kill. (Catch me on a good day), but that's not the point. What makes SEAL teams so effective is to think and act as one, and I just do not believe that an integrated team could be as efficient. So, yes, let women be SEALS if they can pass the EXACT same training, and give them their own ops to run. That would satisfy both the men and the women I think. This is just my opinion!

jmdbt
jmdbt

I am a woman AND a liberal. You can even say I'm totally left wing (as in pro gay marriage, health care issues, pro choice and so on). But I agree a hundred percent with those who think women should not be allowed in some units or if they were they should be segregated in women only teams. Those who think that women's rights mean that we have to become the same as men are blind. Women and men are different, it's a fact. You can try to deny facts (think global warming deniers for example), it does not make them any less true.

evil.aaronm
evil.aaronm

Anyone who thinks women can't hack it is full of it.  Women pass bowling balls through their crotch, sometimes without pain medicine.  They put up with countless piles of diapers and screaming, snot-nosed kids for years.  They take care of us men when we're crying like little babies because we're sick or injured.  Of the two, women carry a heavier load, even if they can't carry a rubber boat.

And if you think they can't be efficient, cold-hearted, ruthless killers, you haven't met my sister when she's angry.  No, she won't carry anyone on her back, but she will not think twice about taking your head off, if necessary.  As they say, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Albert
Albert

@DocMcFoody  


It's interesting you don't mention the other option to "changing the training".  How about this idea - only women who can meet the combat proven training standards, as THEY ARE NOW IN PLACE, will become SEALS and Rangers?   Even if only one in 10000 females can get through BUDS and SQT?  But,  you instead offer what really has to be a contradiction in terms.   "Change training but don't sacrifice the standard".  

Then throw in the inevitable political intrigue and calumny surrounding the inevitable QUOTA system imposed, and it will be absolutely unavoidable that the standard will be sacrificed.

DocMcFoody
DocMcFoody

@MarisaOates You do not speak for any woman who isn't exactly like you but I'll tell you what. I'll defend your right to a pampered life and vapid intellect while you wait for your hubby to get home so your life can begin and you leave every other woman on Earth out of your so called argument. 

Albert
Albert

@SonjaSharp    


You tell me.... does it sound reasonable to you to assume that the pass/fail ratio for men and for women will be the same going through BUDS?    There's no valid empirical evidence to support THAT statement?  What?  

And why do you HAVE to classify this man speaking from experience as a misogynist? That's definitely an  ideological bias, not open-minded objectivism.  

debussy0
debussy0

@POSDCORB Perhaps, Old Man, you'll quit trying to be glib soon; you failed miserably at critical thinking skills and intellect, not to mention spelling and grammar.  My, you certainly do dislike and disrespect women; is that how you treated your own Mother? Surely, you must have had one at some point, unless she decided to "quit" after birthing your misogynistic butt. I feel sorry for the females who must endure your company. BTW, many women never quit, either. They'd rather die trying, especially where their progeny are concerned. Just so your limited "experience" has a bit more balance....

hank.terrebrood
hank.terrebrood

@debussy0 

Go ahead and lay down now, like our forefathers did before us. *NOT*

Let those that have the will take what is yours, your neighbor's and your family's. The world has already seen a few times where, if it was not for the blood and spine of our forefathers, there wouldn't be a place called the United States of America today.

I wrote that one-way check to the United States Government once which gave them the right to trade my life in the protection of those in the country that could not, nor wanted not, to take part in the protection of the country. As did my father and most of my male relatives.

None of us would have expected our mothers, daughters, nieces, aunts, etc. to drag another male member of the team out of harm's way, pick up a weapon and defend the nation in a fighting unit.

There are your crickets sweetheart.


hank.terrebrood
hank.terrebrood

@debussy0 Go ahead and lay down now, like our forefathers did before us. *NOT*

Let those that have the will take what is yours, your neighbor's and your family's. The world has already seen a few times where, if it was not for the blood and spine of our forefathers, there wouldn't be a place called the United States of America today.

I wrote that one-way check to the United States Government once which gave them the right to trade my life in the protection of those in the country that could not, nor wanted not, to take part in the protection of the country. As did my father and most of my male relatives.

There is your damned cricket sweetheart.

JocastaBryan
JocastaBryan

@ironwolf56 There's nothing politically correct about the Israeli army. And their ladies have the ability to whup any one of us down the block.

ruraynor
ruraynor

@Michael_Veritas tennis one of the "least physical games people play"? Are you serious? Lot more effort than darts...

SgtSmidty
SgtSmidty

@SwiftrightRight  I am an active duty Marine.  I can tell you flat out. 100% completely honest, that I have yet to talk to one active duty member who thinks that it is a good idea.  They are experimenting and letting women go through our basic infantry officers course and not one has even made it past the first week.  SEAL, MARSOC, the 75th or any other elite training? Forget about it.  

Our job is life and death.  Not everyone deserves a trophy. I know that this will probably get you all upset, but I really don't care.  It's not worth my life or any of my buddies lives to experiment so people can feel good about "progress."  


cjh2nd
cjh2nd

@MKED56

"I know several women who would make great SEALS and who could pass the physical challenges, but there is more than physical strength needed to make up a good SEAL team"

no, you don't. you never went through SEAL training so you have no idea what it's like. maybe you've watched a tv show or documentary about the training but you haven't actually attempted it. not a single woman has managed to pass the Marine infantry officer course, and that's nowhere near as tough as SEAL training. it's nice to pretend that men are 100% equal, but in some cases it just isn't true. and while men and women thinking differently may have nothing to do with strength, being a SEAL does

PeterD.Blair
PeterD.Blair

@jmdbt record low ice pack melt in 2012. Rest of comment was awesome.

PeterD.Blair
PeterD.Blair

@evil.aaronm Seriously, females should only be allowed to be special forces if they can pass the standards already in place. Carrying people out of combat is important part of combat training and if your sister can't do it she shouldn't be a SEAL.

cjh2nd
cjh2nd

@evil.aaronm

congratulations @evil.aaronm, for providing one of, if not the, single stupidest, most uniformed posts i've seen on TIME about anything. you clearly have no military background, and i have to question your background of living in what the rest of us call "reality" as well.   

"Anyone who thinks women can't hack it is full of it."

wrong. so far, not a single woman has even managed to complete the Marine infantry officer course (every single one has dropped out due to physically not being able to hack it), and SEAL training is much more intense than that.  

"Women pass bowling balls through their crotch, sometimes without pain medicine.  They put up with countless piles of diapers and screaming, snot-nosed kids for years.  They take care of us men when we're crying like little babies because we're sick or injured.  Of the two, women carry a heavier load, even if they can't carry a rubber boat."

giving birth has nothing to do with being able to perform on the battlefield.  cleaning up baby poop is in no way whatsoever a barometer for how effective one can be in combat (and the fact that you think it is shows that a) you've clearly never been military infantry and b) your logic is absolutely retarded). Caring for an injured man in bed isn't the same as carrying that injured 200lb man on your back hundreds of yards through a firefight, no matter how much you (for whatever stupid reason) think it is.  and guess what? being a SEAL requires physical strength as well as mental strength, so being able to carry a rubber boat (or an injured comrade) is a vital and essential ability one must have. 

"And if you think they can't be efficient, cold-hearted, ruthless killers, you haven't met my sister when she's angry.  No, she won't carry anyone on her back, but she will not think twice about taking your head off, if necessary.  As they say, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.""

yelling and screaming and throwing things at someone in a fit of rage is nowhere even remotely along the same lines as accomplishing what SEALS accomplish.  it's not about how "mad" you can get. it's about killing for a living. until your sister does that, don't even try to f---ing tell me she's a "cold-hearted ruthless killer." she's not. and once again, she would have to be able to carry someone on her back, or the equivalent thereof. it's just how it is. you have to be up to certain physical and psychological requirements to be a SEAL. your sister the badasss might be mentally strong enough, but if she can't lift a person on her back, she's nowhere near strong enough.

SwiftrightRight
SwiftrightRight

@evil.aaronm There is a big difference between passing a bowling ball through your crotch and carrying your 213 battle mate along with 100+ pounds of gear at a sprint for 100 meters.

I am all for integrating women into the combat arms but if they cant pass existing physical requirements then I do not believe they should be allowed into certain jobs.

Albert
Albert

@DocMcFoody


Spoken like a true feminazi, with all the ingrained Marxian ideological platforms covered in standard form.    Women like you, unfortunately, would pose the greatest risk imaginable to the SEAL ethos and mission.  Irregardless of your physical capabilities.

Albert
Albert

@debussy0

I wonder if he was raised by a woman?  You have a deeply ingrained ideological perspective festering inside you.  Do you even realize how radicalized you are?

debussy0
debussy0

@hank.terrebrood @debussy0 First, as*hole, I'm not your "sweetheart"; get the stick out of your butt and get used to it: there are MANY people can do exactly the same grunt job you do or did, do it faster, better, more-accurately and without whiny testosterone-infused rants that reveal your tenuous grasp on manhood and modern social mores. I have no doubt your mother is SOOO proud of having whelped such a bitter, resentful and misogynist son. Do us ALL a favor and belly crawl back into your medieval man-cave and stew there for a while. Women and enlightened men who truly love and respect women will bring you your lease when you need a walk and to show off our trophy. 

debussy0
debussy0

@JocastaBryan @ironwolf56 So true. But, you see, these so-called "men" haven't bothered to travel outside their own neighborhoods, much less globe-trotted to understand how other nations successfully integrate both sexes into their government and efforts.

SidLane
SidLane

seriously!  talk to any orthopedist & ask them what sport makes them the most $

sparrow
sparrow

but i would like serena williams to enter a men's tournament before it's too late.

haile.xiao
haile.xiao

@SgtSmidty @SwiftrightRight If none of them have passed the Basic Infantry Officers' Course because they didn't meet the standards, the system has worked; the standards weren't lowered to accommodate their sex. Plenty of men fails the course, too.

debussy0
debussy0

@hank.terrebrood You just showed how truly ignorant you are!! Honey, my D*ick wouldn't come within 10 feet of your well-worn crotch. But your Mother was Soooo goood!!  LMAO!! 

hank.terrebrood
hank.terrebrood

@debussy0

And, my little chickadee, there was nothing testosterone based, nor boastful, about my statements.

hank.terrebrood
hank.terrebrood

@debussy0

I would argue that you are a sweetheart to all of those that went forward in defense of your country.

Keep enjoying freedoms and sleeping under that blanket of protection that others provide you.  The actions of those that went before you also give you the right to show your p*ssy in public.