After Christopher Dorner, What Next for the LAPD?

With the remains of suspected cop-killer Christopher Jordan Dorner positively identified, a police department with a complicated history with minority communities reaches out

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Law-enforcement personnel gear up along Highway 38 during the hunt for accused killer and former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner in Yacaipa, Caif., on Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2013.

The massive manhunt for former police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner ended Tuesday in a hail of bullets and a wall of flame, as the mountain cabin he’d taken refuge in caught fire after being besieged by police. On Thursday, authorities confirmed that the body recovered from the wreckage was Dorner’s. “The charred human remains located in the burned out cabin in Seven Oaks have been positively identified to be that of Christopher Dorner,” the San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner’s Office said in a written statement, according to ABC News.  “During the autopsy, positive identification was made through dental examination.”

(MORE: Burned Remains ID’ed as Fugitive Ex-Cop Christopher Dorner)

Dorner is suspected of killing a total of four people, including a Riverside, Calif., police officer, a San Bernardino sheriff’s deputy and the daughter of a former police captain, all part of a one-man war against the Los Angeles Police Department over what he called the force’s “lying, racism” and “cover-ups.” But while Dorner’s rampage is over, his actions could continue to have repercussions — particularly for the LAPD, as his vendetta has stirred up old animosities between the department and the community it serves.

The claims made by Dorner were bold, to say the least: in a rambling, 6,000-word manifesto published on his Facebook page, the former officer complained that he had been discriminated against and effectively driven out of the department after accusing a fellow officer of kicking a suspect in the face. Issues of race and police brutality are particularly sensitive ones in Los Angeles. After all, this is the city where the videotaped police beating of black motorist Rodney King — and the subsequent acquittal of the officers involved — sparked race riots in 1992. The department was also embroiled in a rash of corruption charges and civil rights violations known as the Rampart scandal in the late 1990s and early 2000s; eventually an independent monitor was set up by the LAPD and the federal government to guide and enforce reforms. “The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days,” Dorner claimed in his manifesto. “It has gotten worse.”

(MORE: Repeated Gaffes Ultimately Halted Ex-Cop’s Rampage)

Those words, and the actions that followed, poured salt into wounds that hadn’t completely healed in the black community in L.A., and they have already caused damage to the department’s reputation in the past week, says Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney who has sued the LAPD for misconduct and racial discrimination on behalf of minority officers. The force has a long history of mistreating black officers, Rice claims; it wasn’t until the early 1960s, she says, that it ended the forced segregation of squad cars. Now the Dorner accusations have “revived the ghosts” of the LAPD’s past, she says, adding, “This is on such a massive scale in terms of its impact, I’m quite sure there’s been damage.”

Callers on talk radio popular in the African-American community in Los Angeles have been calling Dorner a hero, even proclaiming he was seeking vengeance for slavery, Rice says. A Facebook page called We Stand With Christopher Dorner has attracted more than 22,000 followers.

Dorner’s supporters seem to have interpreted his manifesto not as the rants of a lunatic but as the plea of a man legitimately upset about racial injustice. “The way he responded to discrimination is not the correct way,” says Donald Tibbs, a law professor at Drexel University who studies race and civil rights. “At the same time, his accusations seem to take us back and remind us of the days of old — maybe they’re not so old.”

(MORE: Career Woes, Perceived Racism Fueled Ex-Cop’s Anger)

In an apparent bid to counter this resentment, LAPD chief Charlie Beck announced on Feb. 9 that he had reopened the department’s investigation into Dorner’s dismissal. “As hard as it has been to change the culture of the Los Angeles Police Department, it has been even more difficult to win and maintain the support of the public,” Beck said. “Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner’s allegations.” He took this step not “to appease a murderer,” he added, but “to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all the things we do.” And even though Dorner has been confirmed dead, the department says it will continue to pursue the investigation.

The inquest is being taken as a signal that despite Dorner’s claims, the department is trying to put its bad old days behind it. Even Rice agrees that the institutional racism that once plagued the LAPD is largely a thing of the past. “The old culture, in which the top command, from the chief all the way down to the lowest officer, condoned and approved of open racism — that LAPD is gone,” she says. Los Angeles now has a “majority of color” police force, Rice notes, that “seeks the trust of the poor black and poor Latino communities.” Ron Ryan, a retired veteran LAPD sergeant who was active during the King era, agrees that the force has come a long way. “They’ve improved in an all-around sense,” he says.

(MORE: Suspected L.A. Gunman Called Murder Spree His ‘Last Resort’)

And while the police manhunt for Dorner wasn’t entirely smooth — two innocent bystanders were shot and injured by police after being mistaken for the fugitive ex-cop — at least it was successful. The huge task force assembled was effective in coordinating a multitude of agencies, some of which aren’t usually involved in such operations, says Lieutenant Patrick Foy, spokesman for the Department of Fish and Wildlife. “All these resources we’re putting in help everybody work better together,” says Foy, whose fellow wardens chased Dorner and dodged his gunfire on Tuesday.

The LAPD itself, mired in the Dorner investigation, wasn’t eager to answer questions about the possibility of a tarnished image and didn’t respond to TIME’s queries as of this writing. But in the end, even those who may have sympathized with Dorner’s message likely have little love for his methods. His explicit threats against the families and children of his former colleagues may ultimately garner the LAPD more friends than enemies, says William Deverell, a history professor at the University of Southern California. “The notion of targeting the family members of officers, that’s just so heinous,” Deverell says. “I can’t imagine it wouldn’t help spark some support for officers and families of the institution.”

131 comments
zakkpln
zakkpln

oh my the LAPD's immaculate image is tarnished what a joke

lynbarron
lynbarron

please see www.google.com UMICH lawsuits on VIMEO.  Discrimination in the workplace. Mental illness discrimination.  I would like to find a journalist.

AaronRay
AaronRay

I blame the black cops they have no guts. Why can't you do like the white cops and act the way they act towards black people and act like that towards white people.

Nikdab
Nikdab

Listen up flamers.

I believe the majority of cops are good people. They took the job as that: a job that is respected (at least among 4-year-old children nowadays).

THAT BEING SAID, I feel as though there was undeniably unnecessary brutality.

The cops... Threw a canister, which sparked, burned a house, and burned the man, whose identity for around 16 hours was unknown, inside it. Oh fair trial? Nah, kill him. Crude, I was absolutely astonished at the actions of police and frankly the press's defense.

I don't like the idea of conspiracy. I do not deny it's possibility. 

mapshit
mapshit

LAPD has been and still is racist, stay out of LA unless you are white.

I am white, and I will never return to LA.

The cops think they are God and can rule the city.

Stay away, everyone.


jahoney
jahoney

He was a sociopath with a narcissistic personality disorder.  He got what he deserved and what he chose.  

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

People, please get the facts. I know some of you are so empty & are looking for a hero, but Dorner was no hero. If LAPD was truly his target, he never murdered an LAPD officer...never got his target. Officer Crain WAS NOT LAPD but worked for the RIVERSIDE PD . Dorner didn't have a conscience and was looking for a scapegoat to fulfill his delusion & rage.  It is unbelievable that some in our soceity justify his actions. Find a real modern day hero. How about Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, Jr, etc. MLK would have NEVER EVER condoned Dorner's actions. Not ever! The couple he murdered was interracial. Here is just some info about each victim:Monica Quan: had a great work ethic & enjoyed life. She was firey & passionate. Known as Coach Mo. Ambushed in her apt complex parking garage. She was 28.Keith Lawrence: Loved basketball but his real passion was to become a police officer. He had proposed to Monica Quan. Ambushed in his apt complex parking garage. He was 27. Michael Crain, Riverside PD, NOT LAPD: Had 10 yr old son & a 4 yr old daughter. He attended his daughter's dance recitals & enjoyed coaching his son's baseball team. He was a former Marine. Dorner opened fire on him. A taxi driver, a hero, watched this evil unfold but swooped in to assist the officer who was still alive. He was 34. Jeremiah MacKay: SBC Sherrif's Deputy: He was 35 & had two children, the youngest being 4 month's old. He was a detective for 15 yrs.

John38
John38

It is true that no one is condoning the killing of family members and that the LAPD will find supporters in regards to that, but what commentators are forgetting is the Christopher Dorner was a soldier and it is just that simple. How many Afghan women and children do you think get caught in the crossfire. Soldiers are trained to kill, not to hesitate and for whatever reason this man thought he was at war with the LAPD. Everyone wants a safe America but does not want to see the true cost of what it takes to manufacture that dream. Not only was he a trained killer but he was also taught to defend the innocent and to stand up for what he thought was right. Something occurred that made this man feel he was at war with the LAPD. His methods were extreme, but that is a soldier. You have to be extreme to do the job. Then you come back home and wonder what was it all for when people don't care. Soldiers are not trained to cope, just look to the amount of suicides happening in our military. It tears away at a soldiers soul to stand idly in the face of corruption. It's true he went over board, but I tell you this much this man was the guy you wanted on your side in a fire fight and don't you forget it.

EduardoAndrade
EduardoAndrade

I think the police force from Los Angeles, have to be investigated. Nobody does what this guy did, without reason, inside your soul. This guy, maybe,  was full of reason to perpetrate your rampage. He was fired because he make a testimony, when accused your boss to mistreat a person, with mental problems. The police use force, but, against someone that is mentally ill? Maybe, there is cowards cops in LAPD, that has to be investigated and they has to be fired, too. We get to remember, that the africam americans, are not welcomed in LAPD. Remember the hell that LA got in, after the killer of a african american, some year ago, by the cops. Maybe the Cops from LAPD, still are racists in a country where more then 50% are from others colours,  then white. Come on President Obama, says something about that....

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

It's interesting that the person who wrote this story didn't include facts about why he was fired. Perhaps he was an arrogant jerk who didn't like it that a female sgt didn't believe he was fit to be an officer. According to other stoires I've read, she intended to tell him that she was going to give him unsatisfactory on his eval. A few weeks later he suddenly "remembers & left out" part of what happened with the mentally ill man. We all know what he is capable of doing with his "perceived" injustice. There isn't any proof that he was telling the truth so now we have a few fringe folks who are going to believe him. What would you say to the victims' families? Would you tell them how much you love Dorner & consider him a hero? There are some really odd, strange people out there. This event sure brings them out. Fact: Christopher Dorner was a cowardly, cold blooded murderer & nothing less. A hero who ambushes unsuspecting victims, who had nothing to do with his job loss, if that is your definintion of a hero then you need help.

BoX.Oun
BoX.Oun

LAPD shot at random people while the world was watching what do you think happens when no one is watching? That in itself proves LAPD at the very least sucks at doing their job.

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

I cannot believe the utter creeps on this forum who are actually defending Dorner's criminal actions.  

His beliefs on racism in the LAPD are irrelevant.  The fact is that he murdered innocent people, and threatened other innocent lives.  

Dorner's way of handling his disagreements was piss poor, and he deserves no celebration, accolades, or anything of the sort.

Shame on all of you Dorner sympathizers!!

RhondaBreeck
RhondaBreeck

I THINK HE DID WHAT HE INTENDED TO DO..THAT IS TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC...IT IS TRANSPARENT...WE SEE A SYSTEM THAT IS CORRUPT IN EVERY WAY HIDING UNDER THE BLANKET OF HYPOCRAISY...

iamadorner
iamadorner

We are all Christopher Dorner. That man was wronged and he deserved his revenge. @iamadorner.

Paulpot
Paulpot

There is no justifying his actions but these were the actions of a broken man. Whole healthy people do not do such things. So how is a man broken to the point of being a monster? It can only be done with abuse. He killed but he was also a victim and those who victimized him are also responsible for his victims. Abuse, bullying, bigotry, discrimination, racism have no place anywhere in society. The idea that it happens in the police force is shocking and unacceptable. If the police can do it to each other then how do they treat the general public? The answer is very badly. And the greatest weapon they have for discriminating against people of color is prohibition. Many laws are used to discriminate against people who the police encounter in the street but none are more widely and uniformly practiced and with such vigor as the laws regarding drug possession. From London to New York People of color or obviously lower economic means are stopped and told to turn out there pockets and on the basis of what is found lives are set on a course of poverty, humiliation and eternal loss of sovereignty. Until we deal with prohibition there will be no change in the degree of corruption and abuse of power that exists at all levels of power in all communities everywhere. End the drug war.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

If this is about race & not just about an egocentric, narcissist, who had no conscience, then why in the world did he murder a Chinese-American & an African American? No one on this thread will answer this question other than justifying the reason Ms. Quan was shot. I saw a post from a person, on another thread, & he/she stated the only innocent people in this were Dorner & Mr. Lawrence. Wait, Dorner shot Mr. Lawrence. Huh? This is the type of mentality that most people find disturbing. I thought that comment was purely racist.  All the cop haters, bashers, & armchair police force are out in full form. Thank goodness we still have men & women, who step up to the plate & have the courage to wear a badge. People gripe about the LAPD & those "lying" offices & then when Dorner was fired for lying, that is somehow wrong? These are just some people that no matter what a dept does, those folks are just intent on hating officers. God Bless all LEOs!

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

His supporters say this is to avenge racism but two of his victims weren't white. In fact, one man, Keith Lawrence, was African American. I would have to agree with your assessment of his personality. People who have Narcissistic Personality Disorder can typically fool some people & apparently he has done that with the handful of supporters because no matter what the facts & truth are, those poeple he has fooled, just like others who are fooled by someone with this personality disorder, will believe what they want.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

Yes get the facts.

LAPD racism and corruption: fact. Do I support the rampage of this man? No. But do I support the LAPD and pushing a US vet and officer of the law over the edge? No. Offer a million dollar reward IF CONVICTED? They NEVER planned to pay this, they NEVER planned to take him alive. LAPD almost murdered two innocent women with shoot first, ask questions later. Could have been children in that vehicle, they never made visual confirmation. This was an exectution squad with a mission of death without due process. When do we ask where the accountability is?

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl funny that describes most of the police depts on America. So Im glad youll finally get help.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@mrbomb13 thry are not irrelevant

Its ok if police are racist and pit people in pridon and kill and injure them over race?

No wonder police corruption is so rampant , listen to these ignorant fools give them a free pass

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@mrbomb13 i have seen no one here utterly defend Dorners actions , liar.

jmiller
jmiller

Yea and to fight that corruption he shot innocent people! 

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Do you even know the full story about his firing? Perhaps he was sexist & didn't like it that a female training officer didn't believe he was up to par as an officer. It's plain scary we have people like you who believe cold blooded murder is a solution. Would you say this the victim's families?

tsmith
tsmith

@iamadorner -- wow... murderer claims he was wronged and you be live him, we should go to a prison and ask how many feel like they should be there, or better yet, if its their fault or if it was "their only option"

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Dorner murdered Monica Quan, who was Chinese-American & Keith Lawrence, who was African American. How then do you justify he did this to avenge racism when he murdered an interracial couple? You, like a very others, have been misguided and fooled by his "maifesto." Please read my commens above about each victim.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

There isn't any proof he was a victim. His training sgt, a FEMALE, thought he wasn't up to the job & told him she wasn't going to give him a good eval unless he improved his performance. Perhpas he didn't like women. He had no problem murdering an innocent female in cold blood.

Rhurazz12
Rhurazz12

@Paulpot Your right, he WAS a broken man, and he felt that he had nowhere to turn for answers, just himself and what he believed in. If the LAPD was more sympathetic in terms of the situation that got him fired in the first place, this may have never happened. Instead, because of his actions, it actually made the situation worse on both aides (LAPD / black community) in terms of racism  It was a sad situation to begin with, any somebody in the force should've done more for this guy. I'm NOT saying that I said with this lunatic, but they should've listened to his side before coldly dismissing it so quickly in the first place...

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

Ah another cop apologist who could care less about truth

The LAPDs actions are as indefensible as Dorners. Police precincts arpund the nation are filled with sociopaths who have obviously fooled you. They murder with impunity not a question from their loyal supporters.

The chief of LAPD described himself as Jesus . The officers tht beat King were let off and rewarded. Joe Jones and several other former LAPD have said the same things as Dorner, are they all lying too?

This guy went berserk the sociopaths a NPDs are still happily on the force committing more crimes while their enablers turn a blind eye and hold them up as heroes. Nothing could be farther from the truth

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

It is because of racism and Quan allowed the LAPD to get away with it again

Oh but the LAPD will teinvestigate themselves... What a joke these leo are

Gee, why not just let the criminals investigate themselves as well?

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Seems like you do support the actions of Dorner because of your above statement about the justification for Ms. Quan's brutal murder. Have you read his entire manitfesto? He included the suggestion that he would murder the children of officers. Children!! On one hand you bash LAPD for having "psychopaths" & when they took an unstable person off the force (Dorner) you condem them for it. Which is it?

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@GrantMueller 

Dorner murdered innocent people, and now people say those murders were motivated by his feelings of racism in the LAPD.  Sorry, but in the grand scheme of things, his feelings rank second to his criminal actions.  Any criminal court would agree.

Second, I did not say that police racism was okay, nor did I say that police-caused prison injuries/deaths were okay.  In fact, all of those are wrong and deserve condemnation.

Third, corruption in the police is fueled by a lack of ethical oversight.  I do not "give them a free pass."  Instead, I'm being fair to police departments everywhere.  Is corruption wrong?  Absolutely.  Yet, is it right to justify murder based off that alleged corruption?  Absolutely not.

mrbomb13
mrbomb13

@GrantMueller 

Defense of Dorner's actions by many has been justified by Dorner's feelings towards the LAPD.  Those feelings resulted in him going on a Rambo-style shooting spree.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl do you? I doubt it but Im sure youll spout off whatever LAPD says as if its the absolute truth .

iamadorner
iamadorner

@Rubygirl Perhaps this, perhaps that, the fact is, you don't know the full story yourself. But that doesn't matter. What matters is this, if one of their own went after them, the LAPD probably deserved it.

As for cold blooded murder, can you say Dorner wasn't murder in cold blood by the LAPD? One of us can not be wrong.

jmiller
jmiller

hahah Tsmith. Good point!

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@tsmith yep i believe him

Joe jones said the same thing IS HE LYING TOO?

CrimmRoses
CrimmRoses

@tsmith he was wronged. A PRISONER IS GOING TO LIE. A FREE MAN WONT LIE AND TAKE LIVES OVER A NAME.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

Its called getting revenge pn the one who helped the LAPD get away with it.

Obtuse is your specialty I see.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl he accused her of excessive force . apparently "improving your performance " means let her get away with brutality.

You have zero proof hes lying. Just the word of the known liars of the LAPD.

Paulpot
Paulpot

@Rubygirl 

Nobody just kills.

As long as we fail to acknowledge the machine that makes the monsters, the killings will continue unabated.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@jmille we have allowed police depts to becpme corrupt

There are literally thousands upon thousands of indefensible videos proving it

These cops may be human but barely, they are murderers just the same as Dorner they kill all the time and ypu defend them. That really is sick .

Get out of your

all police are heroes childish mindset. This is a problem adults who can face the truth and care about real justice. Unlike tge licking of the cops boots you ondulge in with hungry eyes

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

The typical " mustve been a law breaker" response instead of looking into the truth

As expected. Whats wrong cant handle the fact fht pfficrs have been caught multiple times breaking the law with impunity?

Fact is sweetie I do have family who were officrs thats how I know they are corrupt as they come.

So then ill ask the question again , since you purposely ignored it....HOW COME JOE JONES SAYS THE SAME THING AS DORNER ? He hasnt killed anyone and outlined just how he and his family were treated by these LAPD heroes of yours. So is Joe lying too? Answer the question cop apologists is JOE LYING TOO?

jmiller
jmiller

@GrantMueller @jmiller  Look at any organization or large group of people and I guarantee you will find some bad people in the mix. You cannot, reasonably, stereo-type a large group by the actions of a few.   There are hundreds of thousands of police officers working every single day in this country and we don't hear about them in the news because they are out doing their jobs like we ask them too.   Everytime the media finds a few bad ones though you nuts come out and freak about widespread corruption and the bluewall. 

Get a grip Grant, we landed on the moon, Oswald killed Kennedy, Jihadist's perpetrated 9-11, Obama has a birth certificate, Sandy Hook and Aurora weren't sponsored by the government, and the vast majority of cops are human beings, like you and I, doing their best to deal with extraordinarily difficult situations. 

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Apparently Grant has no clue about officers. I bet he doesn't have any family members or friends who are officers & may have been in trouble with the law or had friends who've had legal issues. It's been my experience that those who bash are typical law breakers or have lots of friends who do. I've never said there aren't a few bad apples in the mix but most officers are good & decent. As far as the female training officer, Grant, you say there isn't any evidence to suggest she is telling the truth. WHere is the evidence that she isn't? "Thousands of murders" of wives & children?

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@jmiller baloney. Its people like you that have allowed our police forces to become filled with scumbag thugs because you defend the indefensible.

Explain why police commit domestic violence 40 percent more than avg Joes?

Explain the thousands of murders of wives and children who dared expose theses psychopaths. Chrystal Brame a perfect example look it up... Unless youre afraid of the truth

Behindthebluewall.blogspot.com/

Cops rarely if ever pay for their crimes thanks to cop apologists like you . Poor cops . Stand around for 80 percent of the time, shoot up people and abuse their power for kicks for 10 percent of the time and leave the work for the 10 percent of good cops.

jmiller
jmiller

That is such childish thinking. The vast majority of cops are decent human beings trying to get by like the rest of us.    For every story we hear of a bad cop, how many do we not hear about a cop who works his shift day in and day out and deals with the worst of society so that we don't have to?

You people constantly look for a reason to take a s$#t on them and it's disgusting.

jmiller
jmiller

Cop apologist?   Excuse us for not stereoptyping an entire group of people because of the actions of a few.    

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl

I just said I difnt support it . Your attempt to make it so shows how desperate you are to shut down a legitimate argument. Pathetic really.

I told you why he did it as it states in his manifesto ... the ppl he killed didnt need to be white or LAPD just someone they care about. Are you really tht stupid you cant fig tht out ?

Those LAPD WERE THE SOCIOPTHS THAT DROVE HIM TO THIS OTHER FORMER OFFICERS HAVE SAID THE SAME THINGS .....explain that ?

Strange how no one but the police were in any danger They were saving themselves

Those same "hero " cops kill innocent people and have been caught mulitple times in cover ups

Whos getting the reward? Howcomethey shpt up those trucks of they were trying to take him alive?

iamadorner
iamadorner

@Rubygirl Here is the fact. No reasonable person would entertain the idea of killing a cop, much less LAPD cop. NO ONE, EVER! What makes Christopher Dorner so different as to buck this trend? If Christopher Dorner went after them, the LAPD must have done something really bad to him. Why else would he  risk his life. Think about that. Happy weekend everybody. Thanks for your emails.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl it was about taking away what Quan loved , taking away the lives of those who he says ruined his life and reputatio using racism and lying about police brutality. Read his manifesto only a complete fool couldnt understand why he shot Quan and her fiance ...your conclusion is ridiculous.

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl ALL officers were after him and backed up the LAPD It called a brotherhood for a reason.

He had zero opportunity to walk out of tht cabin as proven by the hail of bullets sprayed all over two other vehicles tht looked nothing like Dorners and had small white people in them. Yeah they were trying to capture him /s And pf course not an eyelash batted as they run around endangering the lives of the people they are sworn to protect. But then we all know what a crock tht is ... In 1991 after the riots they caused started , the cowards ran and hid. The LAPD nothing but wimpy sociopaths

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Please read my above post about each victim. He murdered Monica Quan, who was Chinese & her faince, Keith Lawrence, who was African American. If this was about race, then think about it...he knew who he was killing because he went to their home & this suggests premeditation. If you are empty & looking for a hero, there are many, many good ones out there.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Your comment tells me you don't know the full story. Officer Crain was NOT an LAPD officer. He was a good man & had far more integrity than you or Dorner. Dorner never shot an LAPD officer so if this was to "right a wrong" then he didn't get his target. This leads me to believe he was narcissistic & it sounds to me like LAPD did the right thing by firing him. The FEMALE training officer was correct because I would have hated to see what he could have done to citizens. He had NO PROBLEM murdering an innocent woman so I'm betting he viewed women in a poor light. To say that an officer on LAPD or otherwise should be murdered just by the fact that he/she is an officer & "probably deserved it" is sickening. Luckily people like you & others posting are in a VERY SMALL minority. Dorner wasn't murdered in cold blood. He had every opportunity to walk out of that cabin, but he chose to take his own life. How is suicide considered murder? But, no matter what the facts are, people like you will consider this monster a hero. It is beyond my scope of thinking. I wonder if you would proclaim your love & admiration for him when faced with the families of the four victims?

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

Can you look at both sides of this issue or are you simply incapable?

tsmith
tsmith

@CrimmRoses @tsmith I can't tell what that means, do you think its wrong that he murdered people because he got fired, I'm glad I live in a right-to-work state that you can fire people for any reason. If I got fired and felt like I was wronged would you support me killing people (I hope not cause that's wrong)

GrantMueller
GrantMueller

@Rubygirl nobody justified ot here. They are telling you why he killed those two regardless of their race completely wiping out your argument and you dont like it , so youve decided to change the subject and accusing ppl here of condoning Dorner's killing because its easier for ypu than simply admitting your wrong and your conclusion doesnt hold water.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

So his daughter, who had nothing to do with any of this, deserved to be ambushed & shot to death?  People will justify anything. Makes me ill.

AlbertCarrero
AlbertCarrero

@Rubygirl 

Its obvious you have no Idea who was Dorner attorney (Monica Quan's father) that rather than fight for him, fought to protect the Police Dept while betraying his own client. That's unethical

Paulpot
Paulpot

@Rubygirl This is the problem. People like you who refuse to acknowledge why this happens.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

What machine? People either have a conscience or they don't. Dorner didn't.


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