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Why Japan Is Still Not Sorry Enough

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December 1947: Former Japanese prime minister and minister of war Hideki Tojo (1885 - 1948) takes the stand to testify in his own defense at the war crimes trial in Tokyo. Tojo was convicted and executed.

Keen observers know that Japan’s ugly territorial disputes with its neighbors aren’t really about fishing grounds or oil and gas reserves or ancient historical claims. What they’re about is that the Japanese still – still – won’t admit they did anything wrong during the Second World War or during their long colonial rule in Asia.

That’s how the neighbors see it, anyway. And it explains why arguments with China and South Korea over  islands of questionable value have turned into volatile confrontations. Armed ships are conducting rival patrols around the Senkaku (Diaoyu) Islands, which Japan controls but are claimed by China; Japan and South Korea are in a bitter feud over Dokdo (Takeshima) Island, which South Korea controls but which Japan claims.

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Now comes author Thomas U. Berger to explain why Japan is viewed as so unrepentant. Some 20 million people died and millions more were subjugated and oppressed during Japan’s half-century of war and colonial expansion, which ended in 1945.

Cambridge University Press

In a new book, War, Guilt and Politics After World War II, Berger says a complex web of culture, politics, geography and shifting notions of justice have made it more difficult for the Japanese to apologize for past transgressions than other societies. That’s particularly true compared to Germany, whose crimes outstripped even those of Japan, but which has largely reconciled with former victims.

Berger is an associate professor of international relations at Boston University and a frequent traveler to Japan; he is currently lecturing at Tokyo’s Keio University.   I chatted with Berger about his book via email this week. Here are excerpts:

Why did you decide to write this book?

I had done research previously on the impact of historical issues on defense and foreign policy in both Germany and Japan. So when disputes flared up in the 1990s over how Japan was dealing with its past, a number of my friends thought it would be a natural topic for me to look at. I wrote a couple of essays and thought I could spin off a quick book, but it took close to 14 years to get it out.

Why so long? 

As I worked on the topic, I became convinced that political scientists and policy makers do not have a very good handle on what drives the politics of history. I was forced to read a lot of material from different fields to help me make sense of it.

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Also, on a more personal note, I found myself talking often with my parents about their experiences. My mother lived in Germany during the war, experienced bombings, lost many of her school friends and eventually was driven out of her home. My father came from Vienna, and though a Christian, was of Jewish background and therefore was forced to flee after the Nazis annexed Austria in 1938. Their experiences brought to life for me the reality of the times, and how individuals had to try to deal with the aftermath of the war. I hope it didn’t damage my objectivity – I don’t think that it did. But it did help make it a very personal project on a certain level.

What did you find out? Is Japan as unrepentant about its past as its neighbors claim?

Yes. But it’s not as simple as that.

It’s true, Japan has not been as repentant as Germany or other countries that have faced up to the darker sides of their past. Japan has apologized for waging aggressive war and oppressing its neighbors, but those apologies have fumbling and awkward, and often been undercut by revisionist statements from senior politicians. Japan has offered relatively little compensation to the victims. And to this day there are no nationally sponsored museums or monuments that acknowledge Japanese aggression or atrocities.

But Japan has been far more repentant than is often credited. Prime ministers have repeatedly offered apologies for their country’s misdeeds. Japan has sponsored joint historical research with both South Korea and China. Most Japanese school textbooks deal with issues like the Nanjing massacre and the colonial oppression of Koreans in a fairly open manner. Opinion polls suggests that most Japanese feel their country did things in Asia for which the country should apologize.

So why can’t the Japanese just say, “We were wrong. We’re sorry”?

Apologizing is a costly business for leaders of any country, and requires the investment of a great deal of political capital. Apologies tend to be given when there is a belief that those apologies will be accepted, at least in part, and that dialogue between the two sides will be advanced.  So unless there are strong reasons to do so, most leaders avoid it.

American readers may recall how difficult it has been for us to come to terms with the legacy of slavery and institutionalized racism. Issues like the atomic bombings of Japan and the massacre of insurgents in the Philippines remain difficult for American politicians to address — if they are aware of them as issues at all.

The problem is, in China and Korea there has been very little readiness to accept Japan’s efforts to promote reconciliation, and as a result, those efforts have tended to founder.

So it’s all Japan’s fault?

No, the Koreans and the Chinese bear a large share of the blame. With the Koreans, there has been an unwillingness to help the Japanese find ways of reconciling when the Japanese have tried to do so. This was most apparent with the Asian Women’s Fund, which the Korean government did not support and in fact subverted by establishing a separate, rival support system for the former comfort women. This has been made worse by the tendency of Korean politicians to score cheap points by very publicly taking out their frustrations with Japan — as when President Lee Myung-bak went to Dokdo/Takeshima recently.

There is good reason to question whether the Chinese really want or care about reconciliation.  When Jiang Zemin went to Tokyo in 1998, he hectored the Japanese about the past in ways that prevented the Japanese from offering the kind of written apology that they gave South Korea President Kim Dae-jung that same year.

Chinese leaders have preferred taking a hard line on Japan. This has been especially so when there are divisions in the Chinese leadership, and on a deeper level may have something to do with the Chinese leadership being deeply worried about their legitimacy. While Korean leaders are frequently unpopular, there is strong support for the Korean political system and pride in its democratic institutions, but Chinese leaders need to strike a nationalistic tone in part because there is greater internal skepticism about one-party rule.

Most other countries in Asia seemed to have moved on, haven’t they? Why are things different China and Korea? Was it because the occupations lasted longer, or because more people were killed there?

A lot of people died in Indonesia, Vietnam, and elsewhere, too. But Southeast Asians have been generally willing to forgive the Japanese. And the Japanese were in Taiwan even longer than in Korea, but anti-Japanese attitudes there are weak or non-existent.

To my mind, the key difference is how modern nationalism was created in those countries. Chinese and Korean nationalism is in many ways defined itself against Japan. In contrast, the national identity of most Southeast Asian countries was defined in opposition to their old colonial masters. In Indonesia, the focus was the Dutch, in Malaysia it was the British, and in the Philippines it was the United States. Taiwan is also instructive here, since the pro-democratic movement focused its resentment against domination by mainland China, first under the Nationalists and more recently against the PRC.

O.K., so what’s next? China has new leadership; Shinzo Abe is likely to become the new prime minister of Japan this month; and South Korea is holding new elections as well. Will that help?

I am not too optimistic, at least over the short term – the next five years or so.

There is a genuine chance for an improved relationship between Japan and South Korea. They both have strong common interests. They share many common values. Both are decent, democratic societies. In contrast to the past, the Japanese have come to respect and even admire the Koreans, while the Koreans have won back their self confidence and can afford to be more magnanimous towards their former oppressors.

Unfortunately, there are lots of signs that the Abe administration is coming into office thinking it will be firm but conciliatory with China, but really dump on the Koreans. They appear to be thinking about revoking the Kohno statement on the Comfort Women and may do some other things on historical issues that the Koreans will find highly provocative. This would enrage the Koreans and may lead to their taking counter steps.

With the Chinese, the gap in interests as well as perceptions is too big to allow for the pursuit of reconciliation, and even a more limited strategy of damage control may prove impossible. The new Xi administration shows every sign of wanting to continue to push the Senkaku/Diaoyu issue further, and China may even choose to escalate the pressure in the pring. Since Chinese claims are based on a particular reading of history that is very critical of Japan, there is little or no chance that the two sides will be able to dampen the nationalist passions that are feeding the crisis in the East China Sea.

Hopefully, cooler heads on all sides — perhaps with behind-thescenes help from the United States — can persuade the governments not to escalate the issue to dangerous levels. But the possibility of further riots, diplomatic crises and possibly even clashes involving paramilitary forces around the disputed territories is all too real.

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michaelgoto
michaelgoto

What * billions?

 Would please tell us when and how much ahs been given to korea and china?

Never heard about these kine or amount of money from jappanese.

 May be another lies. So gives us the evident. If you give us clear evident, we will check the officials about 8 billions you are talking about.

 What I heard about was from Korean chines governments were around 1million dollars past 60 years.

michaelgoto
michaelgoto

Do you know from 1905 to 1945, Japanese killed over 20 millions of Asian, while Nazi killed only 6 millions? Of course there was no facebook or twitter at the time, so Westerners are ignorant about this fact? Do you do know there are over 250,000 forced Korean comfort women ( not even counting chinese, Philippines comfort women?) for Japanese soldiers' enjoyments? I thanks America for dropping atomic bombs to end this hideous war crimes. America gave two weeks to Jap emperor before atomic bombing, Jap refused surrender, so bombed them.

Jap still refuse to apologize about the war crime to all the surrounding Asian nations ( including America pearl harbor). I just laugh at the Jap's arrogance and hypocrisy, still they try so hard to invade every corners of the earth ( Japs are famous for illegal whale hunting and illegal fishing in Arctic seas--never learn the lesson, so now have to invade seas..instead of nations.)

Now I see Japanese -Americans gang up with Latinos, and color people to promote hatred and rebel toward America, saying encampment and atomic bombs are so inhumane. Isn't atomic bomb victims were more than 300,000 compared to 20 millions Asian that were killed by Japanese? How about the Japanese experiment camp in Shanghai brutally conducts bio and chemical experiments on over half million of pregnant and old and young? How far will Jap continue to be like cancer with lies and denials? 

I don't care whoever sees my comment and write back with another lies and denials, but one thing for sure: AS long as God lives, god doesn't bless perpetual liars and illegal, brutal activities. Sunamies and more earthquake may come till they repent and cry out for all the crimes they did to other nations and fish!

eye4odyssey
eye4odyssey

@michaelgoto  just a few numbers b/c I have to check for the European  countries 20 million Russians + 1 million Greeks + 6 million Jews

kozyasi
kozyasi

Japanese government apologized formally again and again. In addition, we paid much money for government of Korea and China (e.g. eight billion dollars!! to Korea) and supplied many technological supports for industrial vitalization. Did the other colonial masters also did them still now?

I can't understand why Japanese need to apologize still now...

Now, Japanese hate "wars", and care very little about war criminals of World War 2.


kakadudu
kakadudu

jp gov members are still worship their sentenced war criminals, no one will forgive that.


of coz they are not sorry enough.

GradivusGraham
GradivusGraham

There is a difference between blame and responsibility. Nations, and their citizens, must take responsibility for what their countries did, both good and bad, and that includes acknowledging what happened, and making reparations to the actual victims and their immediate families in the case of war crimes (though not for ordinary acts of war). Apologies, however, and acceptance of blame, are due only from those who actually committed the offense, not from their descendants and not from their countrymen who were not alive or not in a position of power at the time and who had no control over what happened.

JSA
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I am not Japanese, but I felt, after executing atrocities in China, Korea and elsewhere, Japan was subjected to the two and only two atomic bombings in our world history. The people of Japan have suffered and have still not recovered fully from it. Those bombings have balanced out the things today. How much more Japanese have to apologize? Today we should be stop bragging about up to 5000 and 2000 years of past history, and move on and be good friends, sharing the wealth of nations for their people. Japan has done that also  in recent years. It has helped to enrich its neighboring nations by sharing its technological prowess.

concernedobserver
concernedobserver

@JSA Atomic bombing forced Japan to cease aggression but did not absolve Japan of the need to repent or pay retributions to her victims -- and she did neither.  Instead, with backing of the US, she is now in full blown revisionism mode, trying to assert territorial expansion again at the expense of her neighbors and openly wowing to rearm.  Shades of pre-WWII Germany.  Sadly this time the US is playing the role of appeaser to the aggressor motivated by the US's own geopolitical goals.  The US may live to regret her own complicity.

JulianGarrett
JulianGarrett

@concernedobserver@JSAI suggest you study history a bit more before mouthing off like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

They did apologise, and the main apology that was to come from the Emperor himself was flat out rebuffed by General McArthur.

Parducci02139
Parducci02139

@JulianGarrett @concernedobserver @JSA   Unfortunately, the same history has countless, consistent denial by high-ranking officials denying that sadistic war time crimes ever took place. Japan has been unwavering in upholding as their national heroes, the war criminals of WWII, where their highest ranking officials pay OFFICIAL hommage to. This is far from being apologetic, but a slap in the face of the neighboring countries with a clear expression of "i'm not that sorry." Making a statement, then following it up with actions that go directly against this statement, naturally will not be taken at face value. And so, I suggest you study history a little more yourself.

karmedic
karmedic

I definitely think Japan ought to formally acknowledge and apologise for the atrocities committed and its colonialist attitude of the early 20th century. I mean look at the 30s and 40s. Nanking massacre, 731 in Harbin, Seodaemun Prison and the colonisation of multiple other east Asian countries where they treated people terribly. There was an extreme brutality to the Imperial Japanese Army that is unimaginable, and regardless whether those alive in contemporary Japan are directly responsible for those actions there are still people alive who suffer from them. As a government it is in their duties (as I see it) to acknowledge the wrongdoings of their forefathers and help prevent such things from occurring again. How can that happen if there is such a fog over everything? 

epitygxanwn
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@karmedic Please think harder: think about how irrational it is to ask the grandchildren to 'apologize' for the abuses of their grandfathers.

Otherwise, instead of obsessing over the crimes committed by a few militarists, you should be demanding the US apologize for genocide against the Native Americans, the Australians apologize for their treatment of the aborigines, the French apologize for sheltering Karl Marx...

emblazer
emblazer

@epitygxanwn  Please not only think harder but also more objective.  It's irrational to ask granchidren to apologize for the abuses of their grandfathers, we can agree on that.  But how does that translate into war between countries, when millions of life are involved.  People doesn't start wars, government does, so the responsibility to amend does not lie with the people but it's government.  You can think through rest of  the point.

Few militarist,  how many is many and how few is few? Who's the judge of that? you?  I'm sure there are lot of forced soliders in WWII, if you are forced to commit crimes does that give you a free pass?  The fact is it takes more than few militarist to dominates the East Asia region.

Taking your examples, does two wrongs make a right?  If your neightbor got away with murder, so should you?

ishadowx
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Japan doesn't need to be sorry. The current Japanese people didn't kill/abuse anyone. It's like saying we should torture Germans for killing over 10 million people in WWII. Or like saying we should blame all Americans for the children killed in the last 6 years in the hands of ours truly, Mr. Barack "predator drones" Obama.
The Chinese kill more people on a daily basis than the Japanese would ever had killed, and they do it with famine.
The point is. The world is corrupt. Governments do everything for power. But at the end of the day, our military is the one responsible for making the right decision.
If we are going to blame someone, blame the people who still today, are killing even millions of people based on false religions, oil and gold.

Truth is hard to swallow. My english sucks, but my points couldn't be clearer.

maysfashiondiary
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@ishadowxYour writing is irresponsible because it is not based on fact but your own willful rationale. 

Certainly Japan should apologize for their war-crime, as the Germany did to the Jewish people.  This is the least Japanese government should have done.  Why not?  The aggressor does have a responsibility to apologize to the pain, the tragedy, the atrocity and the loss it had imposed on its victims.

epitygxanwn
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@maysfashiondiary So close and yet so far! But really, the whole notion of "corporate responsibility" is what is leading you astray here. The Germans accomplished little or nothing by apologizing to the Jewish people, since the real guilty parties had slipped off into their punishment in the next life anyway. Aggressor nations do NOT "have a responsibility to apologize to the pain, the tragedy, the atrocity and the loss it had imposed on its victims." It is the aggressors themselves who have this responsibility.

Besides: if we were to allow your principle, China should be apologizing for the brutal conquest of Tibet, the mass executions that accompanied the "Cultural Revolution"...

emblazer
emblazer

@epitygxanwn  You are not enough close, lmao....   Who's the judge of German accomplished little or nothing by apologizing to the Jewish people, you?  I'm sure your intelligent point is not this low right?  Does neighbors of German still demand apologies from German and keep on stirring up past memories?  Does neighbors of Japan still demand apologies from Japan and keep on stirring up past memories? It doesn't take genius to figure out who did a better job and why is that? 

You are turning and twisting way off the rails here, if you are allowed to continue your logic, do Columbus have to apologies to the native Americans for discovering America?  I'm sure we Americans owes Mexico few apologies and couple states as well?  Again, does two wrong makes a wrong?  If your neightbor had been bad to their childerns, does that justify you going there and trash their home?

Use common sense, not confirmation bias.

JohninManila
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Mr. Spitzer: What a load of crap! Unbelievable!

Your talking points would make holocaust denier, David Irving, proud.  It is obvious that you are sucking up to your Japanese masters.

In the Philippines, more innocent people were murdered, one by one, than Japanese died in both atomic bombings. My wife's grandfather and great-grandfather had their hands tied behind them with wire and were murdered by bayonet, for doing absolutely nothing. My mother-in-law survived, as a child, by hiding in the overgrowth in the river.

My Godfather survived the Bataan Death March and later died early because of his suffering as a Japanese prisoner.

The Germans have made memorials in Berlin. Where are the Japanese memorials in Tokyo?

Instead of apologizing, the Japanese put up statues and memorials to their war criminals. Colonel Masanobu Tsuji stands out as one example. He personally ordered the murder of civilian and military prisoners in Singapore, China and the Philippines and everywhere else he was posted. There is a Memorial statue of Masanobu Tsuji in  Kaga, Ishikawa, Japan. He was even elected to the Diet.

Shame on you, Mr.  Spitzer and shame on your Japanese masters.

Yuriko
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@JohninManila Eight million Japanese died in the Pacific war. The guilty were put on trial and hung. 1000 Japanese war criminals were killed. The Americans killed so many innocent civilians. Five million of them in fact and using your logic Japan should never forgive or forget. The American instrument of cruel death is on display in Washington. There is no death more crual than being burned over a large percent of you body and dying of radiation poisoning, NONE! So why should I forgive the Americans for killing o many in my family? I am from Okinawa and the American Occupation of our Island still goes on.

epitygxanwn
epitygxanwn

@Yuriko Actually, there are far more cruel deaths, such as what Japan did to many Chinese civilians in their 'experiments' infecting them with deadly diseases like plague and then denying them treatment. Then there is the Kremlin's way of executing Livinenko using Po210...

maysfashiondiary
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@Yuriko @JohninManila Yes--Japanese people also suffered from the war, but it was Japan who waged the war.  If Japan had not waged the war, Japanese people would have not suffered from it, needless to say the victims of the war.

epitygxanwn
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@maysfashiondiary @Yuriko @JohninManila That may appear to clearly be the case now, but it was not so 'clear' then. The Japanese people really did believe that setting up a puppet government in Manchuria gave them a buffer zone against Communism in China and Russia (especially Russia). How high up in the government this belief pervaded is unclear. Soviet Communism really was a threat, it was not just Pope Pius who was bamboozled into supporting the Axis as the means to defend the world against Communism.

writingspot
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"No, the Koreans and the Chinese bear a large share of the blame."  Really?

Japan was the aggressor/war criminal during the World War II, as recorded in the history.  The cruelty and the atrocity imposed by Japanese military on ordinary citizens in both nations were extensive and deep.  

If Mr. Berger had had relatives or family members being hurt by Japanese military, very likely he would have not stated as above.

Shouldn't the aggressor/the perpetrator  do more to convince the victims their sincere remorse by concrete deeds and actions?

Maybe Mr. Berger has visited Japan so often that his views are no longer objective?  Or maybe he has been the recipient of generous favors from Japanese government, thus his views have been tainted?

So far, Japanese government has not shown enough sincerity and actions to allow its victims to forgive its wartime crime.  Not the other way around--not as Mr. Berger stated,  "No, the Koreans and the Chinese bear a large share of the blame."


WhyBother
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Unfortunately, "modern" Japan is still a country in which gender equity is an issue. Women are still confined to certain roles, many subservient. The Japanese government should get it's act together, but realistically there will have to be a massive cultural change about women before an apology will be perceived as sincere by the women victimized. Culturally, many Asian cultures still have this issue including the Chinese. (I won't even get started on how the Chinese government looks the other way on trafficking Asian women into the country and Chinese women from rural areas because there is a shortage of women created by the one child rule.)

As this article points out in the beginning, the Former Prime Minister and Minister of War, who should have apologized, was executed. He was the one responsible, just like our President is held accountable for the actions of our country and military, except I doubt the US would ever allow one of its Presidents to be executed for war crimes. 

This goes in line with aspects of traditional japanese cultural, where if a man does something perceived gravely wrong, they either kill themselves or get purposefully killed. it is in itself a form of apology, though for the victims, I doubt anything will ever truly compensate for their suffering.

It was war. War is ugly, and barbaric. The US took Japanese Americans and persons of Japanese descent living on the West Coast and put them in concentration camps, except for those who had volunteered to serve their country. Half were children. These people lost everything - families were separated, and people died from lack of medical care and exposure. Many were also killed when they supposedly desisted the orders to move to the camps. The military completely ignored their rights as US citizens. Are most Americans even aware of this, and how much control over Japan the US exerted after the war? I'm surprised this was not mentioned along with the atomic bombs. 

That said, the majority of the Japanese people, sixty years later, are not the same military who committed atrocities in WWII. There are many Japanese people including women and children that were alive during WWII that did not agree with what the country was doing during the war, and according to some, including the Emperor of Japan. Japan was a militarily controlled police state during the time of WWII. Freedom of expression was suppressed.

jay-vancouver
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 I am writing, because of some unreliable Japanese or ignorant Japanese sympathizer's are trying to mislead the public with distorted facts and diabolical colonial rules in Korea.

FIRST OF ALL, JAPANESES GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER APOLOGIZED IT'S OWN BRUTAL CRIMES AGAINST  KOREAN PEOPLES , PARTICULARLY, INVOLVEMENT IN AND RESPONSIBILITY  FOR CAJOLING AND COERCING HUNDRED OF THOUSAND OF KOREAN YOUNG WOMEN INTO SEXUAL SLAVERY FOR THE JAPANESE IMPERIAL ARMY BROTHEL.

Yes, some japanese ,including politician has offered a number of apologies but the fatal problem is that these individuals apologies NEVER stood long, which are usually made followed by DENIAL of diabolical war crimes.

These neglected and irresponsible individuals has created more mistrust between two countries.

One such example of backtracking on it's apologies came few weeks ago, when japanese p.m. said there is no proof showing that 200,000 young Korean women were coerced and cajoled into sexual servitude for japanese troops during the 1910-1945 diabolical occupation of Korean peninsular. Again, As everyone knows Denial of war crimes by japanese pm is nothing new.

Denial is common in the Criminal world. These type of groups and individuals deny everything, even though there is evidence everywhere. They Never confessed what they have committed.

For example, Ex- Bosnia leader's Defense,

After prosecutors called him an architect of war, Radovan Karadzic begin his defense at his genocide tribunal by telling judges that instead of standing accused, he should be " rewarded "for all the good thing I have done.

Al Capone, the America's erstwhile Public Enemy Number One-the most sinister gang leader who ever shot up Chicago doesn't condemn himself. He actually regarded himself as a public benefactor.

Same goes for japan, they will never make apologies and hardly heard a reasonable voice in the japanese society for the last 100 years.

Let's put them on the International Human Rights Tribunal and Let the Judge decide.

EyesWatchin
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When are the US going to apologise for their mass murder of thousands when they dropped two atomic bombs?


JohninManila
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@EyesWatchin  Upon what conceivable fact do you base that statement.

The United States saved millions of Japanese lives by dropping the atomic bombs. How many Japanese Military and civilians would have died if further Japanese islands were invaded? How many Japanese would have died in further bombings?

The US also saved more Allied prisoner lives than were lost in the atomic bombings. As Japan neared defeat, orders were sent to Japanese POW camps to execute all Allied POWs once the invasion of Japan began.  Many allied prisoners were, in fact, executed to keep them from being freed. Read some history.

The US also saved more US Military lives than Japanese were lost in both atomic bombings. How many US soldiers would have died in the invasion of the mail Japanese Islands?

Where I live, in the Philippines, more civilians, one by one, were murdered during the Japanese bestial occupation, then Japanese people died in both atomic bombings. What about China. How many Chinese lives were saved by a quick end to the war?

I'm still waiting for the Japanese to apologize for the murder of about 20 million victims, not counting survivors who daily suffer the effects of Japanese treatment (without compensation). Don't forget who started the Asian Holocaust-Japan.

Please get an education.

Yuriko
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@JohninManila @EyesWatchin Japanese Skulls are still being found in America. While the Americans treated prisoners well it was only after they were brought in. Many Japanese surrendered just to be killed. Americans deny their crimes to this day.

ishadowx
ishadowx

@JohninManila @EyesWatchin 

Upon what conceivable fact ARE YOU basing that statement.

I am sorry, but did you just say that it was ok to kill thousands of innocent and pure children to save prisoners of war?
You are the problem with this world. You should go to war. With that thinking, no one will miss you.

DrYnot
DrYnot

@EyesWatchin Hopefully never, since it was both correct and necessary. You might as well hurl recriminations at Russia for brutalizing Germany during WW2. Fact is, if they didn't want to be destroyed they shouldn't have joined the Nazis. Get serious. Bombing cities during wartime is a far cry from insitutionalized joy divisions.

Frankly though, I don't think any Japanese that was not alive and fighting for Imperial Japan during that moment in time should have to apologize. The sins of the father are not the sins of the son. You might as well ask the British to apologize for colonialist policy or the Roman Catholic Church to apologize for the Punic Wars that were waged two hundred years before Christ was even born.

XanderLegere
XanderLegere

@EyesWatchin I was thinking about this very thing whilst reading the article. Granted  the other side of the coin generally deals with the fact that millions more would have died storming the beaches of the Japaneese mainland. 

 Is flash frying 100-200 thousand people wrong in war? Especially in a war so brutual and devastating as the second world war? Yes, I would say it is. However the general strategies the Americans used when attacking the mainland of Japan included: ariel bombardment of upwards of 50 cities, many of which were entierly - or over 50 percent - destroyed by fire bombing. 

 The two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definately 'shock and awe' with the most devastating of death tolls, but even after the Japaneese surrender the US government and military authorized another even larger bombing raid to take care of the last of the Japaneese mainland oil fields. 

Mass Murder is unfathomable, but in war it is a general fact of life... especially once the war has dragged on and it's cost in capital - whether human or otherwise - had become too big to ignore.

The US should probably apologize just as I'm sure the Japaneese probably apologized for an unprovoked and diabolically aggressive attack on Pearl Harbour that opened up the war between those countries. 

boots
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I can ask the same thing about the US. Why haven't the US apologized for causing the Asian Economic Crisis that resulted in riots and the death of tens of thousands of people all in the name of protecting US companies? Why haven't the US apologized for causing chaos in fairly stable countries by assassinating rulers who are good to their own people but anti-US?

Critic
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Kirk ever since I began reviewing your articles, I notice that you try to make an article balanced. The reality is that you can't balance it as the atrocities committed outweighs any financial enumeration.

Let me explain what the Asian Comfort Fund was rejected. As you mentioned the Japanese are unapologetic. The fund you mentioned was structured in a way, where Japan still denies their past transgressions, and create a civic organization that assist the victims. Basically, this so called fund was operated not by the Government but some private interest groups.

Here are the simple demands. Instead of white-washing Japanese war crimes isn't it time that you address these atrocities. Why do you not mention the massacres, the human experiments, etc...? Have you ever wondered why most of Asia distrust and hate Japan? Instead of encouraging the status quo, speak the truth so the past can be buried once and for all. Don't just isolate your arguments to the present but understand the past to create the bridge of understanding.

MattinKorea
MattinKorea

JAPAN'S SHAME: SEX SLAVES AWAIT JUSTICE

Kim Bok-dong is 87 years old. She is articulate, smart, dignified and kind. And for eight years she was raped every day by Japanese soldiers.

http://groovekorea.com/article/japans-shame-sex-slaves-await-justice



eye4odyssey
eye4odyssey

@MattinKorea 

How long can we live in the past? When do we move forward for the next Generations not to hate each others and work on common ground? Do we remain forever victims and oppressors b/c of our ancestors deeds?

What kind of an apology does Japan need to provide to Korea and China? Apologizing for 50 years hasn't worked and hasn't been received.


maysfashiondiary
maysfashiondiary

@eye4odyssey@MattinKoreaNobody wants to live in the past.  It is Japanese government who doesn't want to move forward by not sincerely and unconditionally apologizing the brutality and atrocity it imposed on its victims during the war.  Using Germany as an example, it has done the morally right thing by unconditionally apologizing to Jewish victims.  As a result, Germany has helped itself and its victims moving forward.  Thus, since then no one has criticized Germany any more. 

frankhx
frankhx

@eye4odyssey @MattinKorea I repeat, apologising is just not enough. They should come out of their hole in the ground. They and their children are still there among the ruling class posing and posturing. By contrast, the Germans are not allowed even to whimper. By law. If you even whisper support for the Nazis, you go to jail. But the Japanese are allowed to stand shoulder to shoulder with the Americans who they stabbed in the back. Anyone who abuse and bayonet women should crawl out of their hole.

XanderLegere
XanderLegere

@frankhx @eye4odyssey @MattinKorea Is that actually true? The part about Nazism in Germany? I seem to recall many hard right wing parties that still attest some type of allegience to the Nazi party. Now of course most of those alive in World War 2 are now... not alive. I'll look it up in a few minutes but which law is it that jails Nazi sympathizers in Germany? 


Also don't heckle me because I didn't look it up before asking :)

MattinKorea
MattinKorea

MY 3 YEARS AS A SEX SLAVE FOR JAPAN

http://groovekorea.com/article/my-3-years-sex-slave-japan

"I was born on Oct. 10, 1927, the second of six children. I had an older brother, two younger brothers, and two sisters. My older brother’s name was Bongjo, and my sisters’ names were Okju and Oki, but I can’t remember the names of my younger brothers."


stevchipmunk
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It SHOULD be so easy for the Japanese (or anybody else, like, for example, the Germans) to say: "I am so, so, so sorry for what we did... 50 YEARS AGO."  Then bow your head humbly and look genuinely sorry.  I mean, what can the other guy do?  Except to say, gruffly, "Well... okay.  Don't do it again!" AND THAT WOULD BE THAT.

But when the Japanese say stuff like:

"Sorry, we're really sorry... but, you know, let's be honest, tens of thousands of your women VOLUNTEERED to have sex with our army (now, I'm not saying that we're that much sexier than your wimps, er... men)" or "Sorry, we're really sorry... but, be honest, we DIDN'T kill 350,000 people in Nanking.  I mean, we aren't animals, you know.  We couldn't have killed more than, say 100,000, if even that many; if any others died, it was due to stuff like suicide, or running into our bayonets during the fog of war, or other reasons having little to do with anything we did!"

... if the Japanese keep on saying stuff like that, then they're going to get people -- especially other East Asians -- even MORE PISSED than if the Japanese had just kept their mouth shut to begin with.  But the Japanese just can't.  Why?  It's a cultural thing.

concernedobserver
concernedobserver

@stevchipmunk Amen.  And Japan should back up what they say with action.  Stop worshiping their war criminals.  Stop revising history text books.  Stop trying to steal islands from neighbors and come up with lame excuses like "nobody was there when we first stole it"  or "We're just trying to buy it from our own citizens who are even more right-winged than we in the government are."  Stop finding excuses to re-arm. 

okemah
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I agree with the author's chastisement of Caucasian Americans on the issue of slavery, institutionalized racism, and the slaughter of Philippine insurgents (he left out the brutal treatment and slaughter of Native Americans); but the atomic bombing of Japan was a correct, though horrific, decision. It brought the Japanese aggressors to defeat and saved tens of thousands of American-Allies and Japanese lives that would have been lost during an inevitable armed invasion of the country. America should never apologize for that decision.

RonAndrews
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@okemah  Wrong, dropping the atomic bomb was unnecessary, the japanese didnt surrender because we used the bomb, their cities including Tokyo had already been devastated by fire bombs. The entry of Russia into the war and their invasion of Manchuria caused the Japanese to surrender. 

DrYnot
DrYnot

@RonAndrews@okemah @RonAndrews@okemahThe idea that the bomb didn't have anything to do with Japanese surrender is a VERY new notion and one that really only seems to carry weight with people under the impression that even if it had, we shouldn't have used it. Of course, most credible historians and analysts of the Pacific theatre disagree with that idea pretty vehemently but the fact is people will indulge in  WW2 revisionism with incredible enthusiasm if it means perpetuating the modern image of the US as some sort of cross between Nazi Germany and the devil.

jay-vancouver
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What a sad thing it is!

What's so sad is that Japaneses or Japaneses sympathizers is trying to OBFUSCATE the truth here.

The truth is that Japan's forced occupation of Korean peninsula have created a national tragedy to the Korean people,Not by the British.

Japan's Misdeed towards the Korean people as follows,

1)In the Year 1895, Korean Empress Myeongseong was slaughtered by Japanese soldiers.(Japanese document revealed)

2)The Japanese had slaughtered thousands of Korean patriots during occupation of Korea.

3) More than 20,000 Korean young women were coerced into sexual servitude for japanese troops during the 1910-1945 occupation of Korea.(11 Dec. 2012, one of the abandoned sexual slaves who is now 83 years old  finally came to Korea after world war 2). Many died of mistreatment by Japanese soldiers and sexual disease.

4)Many Christians were killed  and their churches were burnt down by japaneses troops.

5)In the Year 1923, 7000 Korean Nationals, including children, who happened to be living at Kando in Japan was slaughtered by Japaneses authorities because they were Korean.

What a shocking and horrendous TRAGEDY to Koreans.

'FOR I SEE THAT YOU ARE IN THE GALL OF BITTERNESS AND IN THE BONDAGE OF INIQUITY'



eye4odyssey
eye4odyssey

@jay-vancouver 

How long can we live in the past? When can we move forward for the next Generations, to not to hate each other and work on common ground? Do we remain forever victims and oppressors b/c of our ancestors deeds?

What kind of an apology does Japan need to provide to Korea and China? Apologizing for 50 years hasn't worked and hasn't been received.



jay-vancouver
jay-vancouver

No3) on above needs to be corrected.

More than 200.000(not 20,000 above) young Korean woman, many of them were as young as 14 years of old,were coerced into sexual servitude for Japanese troops by Japanese authority during the 1910-1945 occupation of Korea.( Just 2 weeks ago, December 11, 2012, one of the abandoned sexual slave who is now 83 years old finally came to Korea after world war 2.)

Many young Korean sexual slave girl died of mistreatment by Japanese soldiers and sexual disease,such as syphilis.

Witness said that each girl had to take 15-20 Japanese soldiers per day otherwise the girl who refuse was beaten and starved.