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What’s Worse: No Marines, or (Possibly) Unarmed Marines?

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UPDATE II: The Marines said late Thursday that any reports “of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the ambassador are not accurate.”

UPDATE: “With or without a weapon, Marines are always armed,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said Thursday afternoon. “I’ve heard nothing to suggest they don’t have ammunition.”

Senior U.S. officials decline to discuss it, but it’s clear there were no U.S. Marines protecting U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and his beleaguered staff at the Benghazi consulate Tuesday night. Marines are routinely posted to U.S. diplomatic outposts around the world, but the “interim” facility in Benghazi apparently was defended only by a handful of U.S. security officers and local hires. The Marines have let it be known that the two unidentified U.S. officials who died at Benghazi were not Marines.

As any Marine’ll tell you, if there had been Marines at Benghazi, they’d be among those killed.

But what’s worse? No Marines or unarmed Marines?

There’s a disquieting report in Thursday morning’s NightWatch blog that claims the Marines 700 miles away in Cairo were barred from carrying live ammunition as the U.S. Embassy in Egypt came under attack:

[U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson] did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy. In this respect, she did not defend US sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.

…reports John McCreary, a former veteran Defense Intelligence Agency analyst. Well, Battleland can’t find those blogs; we’ve asked McCreary for them, and also asked the Marines and State Department to respond to what he is reporting.

Senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.

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Jesse Lyles
Jesse Lyles

Seems to be a Cover-Up in the Making ? Of Course you Can't Beleive the Obama amp;  Staff !

mjw1952
mjw1952

Americans killed by al Queda under Bush: 3000.  Under Obama: 4

Jimmy Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa

Marines are warriors. You don't send them into hostile environments without the ability to fight.

I was off the coast of Lebanon in 1983 as part of a small contingency force in support of the peace keeping troops when the Marine barracks were blown up in Beirut. Later, I roomed with one of the survivors. 

We bought t-shirts with ducks lined up in a row representing what the Reagan Administration had done to those Marines, who were not allowed to even put a magazine in their weapon. And believe me, the terrorist bombing wasn't the worst insult; it was when Reagan ordered the Marines out of Lebanon. We were crushed that we were ordered to leave instead of striking back.

Our policy should never be to try to turn Marines into unarmed bell hops. They are the tip of our military spear, not some diplomat.

sandiegomike
sandiegomike

"Well, Battleland can’t find those blogs; we’ve asked McCreary for them" Anyone ever see the blogs?

Spinward
Spinward

Arming Marines is common sense and should not be an 'option' left to the Ambassador.

Marines are not doormen. They are charged with defending U.S. Territory.

Nick Werle
Nick Werle

of course GOPers  lie and LIE!

Jonathan
Jonathan

As proved by the four bodies and burnt embassy.  Yeah, whatever,  tool.

Nick Werle
Nick Werle

 can you not read the UPDATE  you FING MOROn

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf

 Mother Jones manufactured a supposed memo stating the Marines were not denied ammo so they could bash "Wingnuts." Major Alex Cross is not listed on the site for the Marine unit indicated, but that name is a fictional character played twice by Morgan Freeman in "Kiss the Girls" and "Along Came a Spider." THEY ARE DESPERATE!  There is no Alex Cross listed:

http://www.marines.mil/unit/hq... 

repsac3
repsac3

There is a different link that shows different information (including listing Maj Alex Cross as the deputy liason to the House) but i've posted it here twice--i even took a screencap that showed it posted, the second time--and it subsequently disappeared both times... (I'll screenshot this third attempt, as well...)

www.hqmc.marines.mil/Agencies/...

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Added, 8:40 AM

It was bugging me that John's site looked as official as mine...until I found this: http://www.marines.mil/unit/hq...

It'd probably be a good idea for all of the links on the old Marines website to redirect to the pages at the new site. (or at least to the new homepage...)

Mystery solved...

DeBee Corley
DeBee Corley

Who in the Marines, said? 

 

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf

Unnamed sources on several Marine blogs. It is not a good source, but it is as good as MSNBC...  Mother Jones manufactured a supposed memo stating the Marines were not denied ammo so they could bash "Wingnuts." Major Alex Cross is not listed on the site for the Marine unit indicated, but that name is a fictional character played twice by Morgan Freeman in "Kiss the Girls" and "Along Came a Spider." THEY ARE DESPERATE!  There is no Alex Cross listed:

http://www.marines.mil/unit/hq... 

cocomom
cocomom

“With or without weapons, Marines are always armed, Pentagon spokesman George Little said Thursday.."I've heard nothing to suggest they don't have ammunition.."  Say what???That is political double-talk, if I ever heard it.. "Marines are always armed.." even without weapons?? What exactly are they armed with, stern language? It's outrageous. If the R.O.E. (and I don't care WHO came up with them) pit unarmed American troops against violent, armed mobs, our men are sitting ducks. If they cannot defend themselves or fight back, they need to come home, immediately, if not sooner. This what my military family call, FUBAR.

Christina Serna Richards
Christina Serna Richards

Wake the hell up! the movie was an excuse to start an a attack on American's! Oh such a coinsidence that it happened on 9/11. People when are you all going to get it, their mission is to have sharia law world wide, to replace our constitution with the quran. This so called president is all for it! NOT A RACIST THING! HE COULD BE PURPLE FOR ALL I CARE! SO STOP CRYING RACIST!

aberdeenvet
aberdeenvet

When a body count of the attackers is reported(0 so far, 9/14/12), then,and only then, might you want to consider believing what this administration feeds you. Until then, what is reported independantly and the violent action of the attacks should be considered based on the history of the attackers and the history of this administration's spinning of the truth. Incompetence breeds incompetence.

Terry Clifton
Terry Clifton

If there was a squad of armed Marines on the grounds. The body count would have been tilted in the Marines favor..400/4 or less. This is only one more example of the nativity of Obama/Clinton. Animals are not to be trusted, no matter that we just freed them, who cares, animals will do what they do, because they don't any better, so it's best to put them down, preferably with a double tap.

John Russell
John Russell

John McCreary, lying sack of garbage ... OBVIOUSLY a card carrying Republican

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf

You mean like these card carrying Democrats who only tell the "truth?"  Mother Jones manufactured a supposed memo stating the Marines were not denied ammo so they could bash "Wingnuts." Major Alex Cross is not listed on the site for the Marine unit indicated, but that name is a fictional character played twice by Morgan Freeman in "Kiss the Girls" and "Along Came a Spider." THEY ARE DESPERATE!  There is no Alex Cross listed:

http://www.marines.mil/unit/hq... 

JCMarine
JCMarine

Although I get what you are saying John, I wouldn't say that he is a liar -- just incompetent.  A good reason to ignore his reporting in the future.

I think as Americans, we need to get away from the vitriolic partisanship.  We are tearing ourselves apart.  As far as his political affiliation, it doesn't matter.   There is no monopoly on "stupid" in Congress!  The are plenty of idiots on both sides of the aisle.

I think we can all agree on that! :)

Semper fi,

JC Marine

Paul Dirks
Paul Dirks

So...since "Nightwatch" posted what we now know to be a malicious lie, does that mean that their credibility has been proven to be nil and that any fresh attempts to slander the State department or the administration will be greeted with derision?

Yeah.....that's what I thought....

PerryM9
PerryM9

 

Everyone is "quoting" the no ammo for Marines

rumor, but there is no proof cited.  There is just hateful ranting based

on nothing concrete.  This all started from an anonymous blog, which is

questionable in itself.  And no real news source, not even FOX news, has

claimed the rumor as true.  We should be careful here at what we jump to,

considering that the 14 minute movie was made some time ago under an alias, by

actors who were told they were making an adventure movie which was later edited

into its current version and dubbed.  Then the video was posted on YouTube

and an Egyptian living in the US forwarded it to Middle Eastern news networks a

few days before 9/11.  On 9/11/12 three embassies in three countries were

simultaneously attacked.  Now rumors of unarmed marines surface. 

Whoever did this wants you to react just this way.  Think about that.

PerryM9
PerryM9

Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:

“The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately

engaged with the security situation.  No restrictions on weapons or

weapons status have been imposed.  This information comes from the Det

Commander at AMEMB Cairo.”

PerryM9
PerryM9

 

Everyone is "quoting" the no ammo for Marines

rumor, but there is no proof cited.  There is just hateful ranting based

on nothing concrete.  This all started from an anonymous blog, which is

questionable in itself.  And no real news source, not even FOX news, has

claimed the rumor as true.  We should be careful here at what we jump to,

considering that the 14 minute movie was made some time ago under an alias, by

actors who were told they were making an adventure movie which was later edited

into its current version and dubbed.  Then the video was posted on YouTube

and an Egyptian living in the US forwarded it to Middle Eastern news networks a

few days before 9/11.  On 9/11/12 three embassies in three countries were

simultaneously attacked.  Now rumors of unarmed marines surface. 

Whoever did this wants yo to react just this way.  Think about that.

Guest
Guest

 

Everyone is "quoting" the no ammo for Marines

rumor, but there is no proof cited.  There is just hateful ranting based

on nothing concrete.  This all started from an anonymous blog, which is

questionable in itself.  And no real news source, not even FOX news, has

claimed the rumor as true.  We should be careful here at what we jump to,

considering that the 14 minute movie was made some time ago under an alias, by

actors who were told they were making an adventure movie which was later edited

into its current version and dubbed.  Then the video was posted on YouTube

and an Egyptian living in the US forwarded it to Middle Eastern news networks a

few days before 9/11.  On 9/11/12 three embassies in three countries were

simultaneously attacked.  Now rumors of unarmed marines surface. 

Whoever did this wants yo to react just this way.  Think about that.

John Russell
John Russell

 It's a LIE just like Romney's LIES ... They KNOW it's a LIE but they will CONtinue to repeat their LIES because that what the Morally Bankrupt Republicans do ... every day ... 24/7/365 ... A constant parade of LIES

PerryM9
PerryM9

 Everyone is "quoting" the no ammo for Marines rumor, but there is no

proof cited.  There is just hateful ranting based on nothing concrete. 

This all started from an anonymous blog, which is questionable in

itself.  And no real news source, not even FOX news, has claimed the

rumor as true.  We should be careful here at what we jump to,

considering that the 14 minute movie was made some time ago under an

alias, by actors who were told they were making an adventure movie which

was later edited into its current version and dubbed.  Then the video

was posted on YouTube and an Egyptian living in the US forwarded

it to Middle Eastern news networks a few days before 9/11.  On 9/11/12

three embassies in three countries were simultaneously attacked.  Now

rumors of unarmed marines surface.  Whoever did this wants you to react

just this way.  Think about that.

Ivy_B
Ivy_B

Time for another update. Looks as though it was just more rightwing lies.

http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

John Russell
John Russell

 It's best to just assume anything coming out of a Republican's mouth is a lie because 90% of the time it is ..... and the 10% truth is about things that just don't matter anyway ....

charlieromeobravo
charlieromeobravo

Thanks Ivy.  No blogger associated with Time should have furthered a story like this without doing their own homework first.  It's an embarrassment to Time and another win for the wingnut trolls.

Kerry Trout
Kerry Trout

I find it almost laughable that the nation of Islam gets all bent out of shape because their image has been tarnished in a movie. A movie! Don't they know they were hated long before that??

proterozoic
proterozoic

This is a disgrace. If only the Marines had live ammo, the deaths of U.S. personnel in Cairo could have been prevented.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf

I doubt it, but at least they would have gone down like humans rather than goats to a slaughter. 

Rhonda Painter
Rhonda Painter

Nobody died in Cairo. That was Libya.

proterozoic
proterozoic

'zactly. So what could have been prevented if the Marines in Cairo had (if they, in fact, didn't have) live ammo?

Pa_Thetic
Pa_Thetic

Its the new ROE's that's killing our service members.  Its a shameful fact that it always comes from the democrats.  

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