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War’s Legacy Plagues Japan and Its Neighbors

Resentment stemming from World War II resurfaces as Asian neighbors dispute over island territories

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South Korean President Lee Myung-bak visits a disputed set of remote islands called Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan on Aug. 10, 2012

It’s been an eventful week in Japan, what with South Korea’s President insulting the emperor, Cabinet members paying homage to war criminals, Chinese protesters landing on a disputed island and local citizens demanding an apology and compensation for a land battle on Okinawa 67 years ago.

It’s just more evidence that the legacy of World War II is alive and not well in Asia. While resumption of open hostilities seems unlikely, the odds are getting better all the time.

“For China and Korea, the war is still unfinished business,” says Brad Glosserman, executive director of the Pacific Forum CSIS in Honolulu. “What we’re seeing played out now is the politics of resentment and grievance. It’s emotionally satisfying, but in the absence of genuine leadership, the situation is only going to get worse. So when there’s another incident that sparks a confrontation, does that become a sobering moment, or kindling for the fire?”

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This week should have been a time of solemn remembrance and reflection. Aug. 15 marked the 67th anniversary of Japan’s surrender, the end of Japan’s brutal colonization of Korea and occupation of large parts of China. More than 20 million soldiers and civilians were killed during 10 years of conflict, including 3.1 million Japanese.

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Facing a tough election season, South Korean President Lee Myung-bak chose this week to visit the Takeshima island chain, known in Korea as Dokdo. It was the first visit there by a South Korean leader, and it angered the Japanese, who believe the island rightly belongs to them.

Lee then upped the ante by claiming that Japan was not genuinely remorseful for starting the war and had never “sincerely” apologized. And he topped things off by proclaiming that Japan’s Emperor Akihito, a revered figure at home, would not be allowed to visit South Korea unless he “apologize from the heart” for Japan’s colonial rule — never mind that the emperor had never accepted an invitation to visit South Korea and that Japan had no plans to send him.

“From our point of view, this was the most offensive position [Lee] could have taken,” says Kazuhiko Togo, director of the Institute for World Affairs at Kyoto Sangyo University in Japan. “We went through a very difficult period of soul-searching after the war from which emerged a general understanding among the majority of Japanese that much was wrong with our colonization of Korea. And in totality, in my view, the Japanese side has expressed a proper and sincere apology.”

(MORE: Clock Ticks on China-Japan Islands Dispute)

Lee’s performance was certainly aimed at least in part at a domestic audience. His political party is facing a tough presidential campaign this fall and Lee — who is constitutionally barred from re-election — has been accused of being soft on Japan.

Domestic politics are no excuse, says Togo, a former Foreign Ministry official.

“There is an increasing sense of frustration in Japan that everything we’ve done is being denied and negated by the Koreans and that we are being deliberately provoked, for no good reason. This is disturbing and potentially dangerous,” says Togo, considered one of Japan’s most moderate voices on territorial disputes and foreign policy.

Japanese officials have issued dozens of apologies and paid compensation to victims, but many in Asia question the depth of Japan’s sincerity and willingness to honestly examine its past.

It’s not hard to see why. Two Cabinet members defied recent practice this week and prayed at Yasukuni Shrine — where 14 convicted war criminals are enshrined along with millions of other war dead. Although the shrine is nominally nonpolitical, it supports a modern and well-funded war museum that claims, among other things, that President Franklin Roosevelt schemed to force Japan into attacking the U.S. and denies well-documented reports of imperial-army atrocities. An otherwise exhaustive museum in Hiroshima dedicated to the atomic bombing there in August 1945 provides little background or discussion of the war that preceded it.

M.G. Sheftall, a military historian and associate professor of culture and communication at Shizuoka University, says Japan is viewed with some suspicion in the region in part because it retained many of the trappings of its wartime identity and has avoided a wide discussion of the role of the imperial family during the war.

(MORE: A Risky Game over Japan’s Disputed Islands)

“They kept their flag. They kept the ‘Kimigayo’ [national anthem]. And they kept the Emperor, who in 1945 about 90% of the world wanted at the end of a rope,” says Sheftall. “It’s very hard for Japan to grab the moral high ground because they haven’t come to terms with their own history.”

Lee says his visit to Dokdo/Takeshima was motivated in part by Japan’s claim in a defense white paper issued earlier this month that the islands remain Japanese territory. Japan annexed the group of small islands, located about halfway between Japan and South Korea, in 1905 but lost possession with the end of war. Korean armed forces occupied the island in the mid-1950s, and its possession, for better or worse, has remained a source of national pride and identity. The South Korean navy named its largest warship after the islands; a member of its Olympic soccer team lost his place on the podium for unfurling a flag proclaiming “Dokdo Is Our Territory” after beating the Japanese team for the bronze medal.

Ironically, Japan seemed to be trying to soften relations with both South Korea and China. The white paper, issued annually, repeated Japan’s long-standing claims to Takeshima/Dokdo but contained no new assertions. It stated that South Korea “shares the closest relationship with Japan” of all its Asian neighbors — a distinctly friendlier tone than in previous years.

Similarly, the white paper repeated Japan’s claims to the Senkaku Islands (which are also claimed by China and Taiwan but are administered by Japan). But it stated that Japan “welcomes the fact that China, which is growing into a big power, has started playing a major role in the world and the region.” Hardly belligerent stuff.

The U.S. has been trying to stay out of the region’s territorial disputes. But the enmity between two of its closest allies could jeopardize U.S. security interests even as it strives to meet the challenge of a rising China. South Korea canceled the signing of two fairly routine but important defense agreements with Japan in June because of public opposition; Lee’s respected national security aide, Kim Tae-hyo, was forced to resign over the controversy.

(MORE: U.S. and Japanese Troops Draw Closer)

All this complicates U.S. security policy in the region, says Sean King, senior vice president and Asia specialist at Park Strategies, who splits his time between New York and Taiwan. “It’s never good having your two biggest and most strategically vital regional allies at odds. As much as possible, we want Japan and [South Korea] on the same page to counter common threats, like North Korea and mainland China.”

The extent of the fallout from Lee’s visit and comments is still unclear.

Japan temporarily recalled its ambassador from Seoul and said it will submit the Takeshima/Dokdo dispute to the International Court of Justice (South Korea has to agree before the court takes up the issue). Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda may cancel a planned meeting with Lee at the APEC Summit in Vladivostok, Russia, in October. Any chance of signing the two defense agreements postponed in June seems dead for the foreseeable future.

The Takeshima/Dokdo flap comes at a bad time for Tokyo.

Authorities on Thursday arrested 14 activists from Hong Kong, Macau and mainland China who came ashore on the Senkaku Islands, called the Diaoyu Islands by the Chinese; they’ll most likely be deported soon. The arrest of a Chinese fishing crew there in 2010 led to a tense diplomatic standoff between Japan and China, and relations have not improved. Tokyo’s nationalist governor, Shintaro Ishihara, has raised $16 million in a bid to buy the islands from private owners to “protect” them from Chinese encroachment, forcing Noda to announce plans to do the same — with predictable protests from China.

Hard-liners there have since voiced claims to the entire Ryukyu chain, which includes the island of Okinawa — home to about 15,000 Marines and a major U.S. air base. Those claims seem unlikely to be enforced, but add to the cacophony.

Not to be outdone by foreigners, a group of Okinawa residents and family members who survived the horrific battle in the spring of 1945 filed a lawsuit on Wednesday against Japan’s national government. They are seeking $5.5 million in compensation and an apology for their suffering during the nearly three-month battle.

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SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

I have looked at the relevant articles and videos, and learned:

1)  Takeshima was determined Japan territory in the 1951 SF Treaty.  South Korea fully understood this, and the Korean ambassador protested, but the U.S. stated that Takeshima had always been Japanese territory. (Why has South Korean government then told its people all these years that Dokdo is Korean, and that the Japanese are lying?)

2)  Top diplomats from the U.S., U.K., etc., have reported to their governments that S. Korea has been illegally occupying Takeshima in violation of international law.

3)  S. Korean coast guards and police have detained thousands of Japanese fishermen who were working in the area determined to be Japanese territory.  They even killed 40+ Japanese fishermen over the years.

4)  Koreans provide old Korean maps showing islets to the WEST  and almost right next to Ullengdo (Korea), and claim they depict Dokdo!   Japanese maps correctly draw Takeshima to the EAST of Ullengdo and in correct location and shapes. (Are all Koreans dyslexic and can't tell east from west?)

Are all Koreans retarded?  No, because I'm Korean and I'm not retarded.  But Koreans keep insisting that Takeshima is theirs.  It's like arguing 1+1=3, or children insisting that Santa Claus exists because their parents told them so.

Also, Korean schools teach fabricated history to their children.  Koreans are generally taught that they had superior culture and political position in the ancient times vis-a-vis Japan.  I have learned, however, that the Korean Three Kingdoms sent tributes to the Yamato court, and even sent members of the royal families to Japan as hostages.  The hostage thing is actually recorded in Korea's own Samkuksagi, so it's not a mythology fabricated by the Japanese.  I also read that Chosun was alone among the Chinese vassals to sent tributes THREE times to China every year!  Most vassals such as Annam (Vietnam) sent tributes once a year, and Japan sent tributes once EVERY TEN YEARS! (Tenno considered himself equal or near equal of the Chinese Emperor.)  I actually read that tribute thing in Korean because it was from a Korean source.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

As far as fabricated Ancient Korean History, I've read some of that, but I think it still remains controversial and there's no definitive answer.

According to Wikipedia --"Whether the princes sent to Japan should be interpreted as diplomats as part of an embassy or literal hostages is debated.[14] Due to the confusion on the exact nature of this relationship (the question of whether the Baekje Koreans were family or at least close to the Japanese Imperial line or whether they were hostages) and the fact that the Nihon Shoki, a primary source of material for this relationship, is a compilation of myth, makes it difficult to evaluate. The Samguk Sagi, which also documents this, can also be interpreted in various ways and at any rate it was rewritten in the 13th century, easily seven or eight centuries after these particular events took place."

But does it really matter? This is exactly what frustrates me about this issue. The fact that there are 500 arguments going on simultaneously. Ancient roots between Japan and Korea are irrelevant in the current matter of  this territorial dispute in the context of International Law in modern times! The Comfort Women/Sex Slaves are irrelevant to the territorial dispute too. Noda was correct with his statement regarding that in my opinion.

If Baekje sent hostages or diplomats what does it matter??? What does it matter if they found an ancient Korean Spoon in an old Japanese Emperor's tomb??? What does it matter if Japan invaded Korea in the 16th Century??? Europeans were at War with each other as recent as the 20th Century, and I rarely hear them bring up Ancient events like this as a sign of contention with each other. Maybe they do, but I've never heard it. I've only heard Armenians hate on Turkey for the Armenian Genocide.

I just have a feeling that super nationalist Koreans want Japan to grovel before their feet and say "You are our masters, we owe everything we've accomplished to you." That is not going to happen, ever. 

Only through positive relations will Japan and Korea willfully, and happily recognize their shared kinship and cultural exchanges that so heavily influenced each other's countries. This situation just reminds me of two Brothers fighting, when they should recognize that they are brothers and get along together.

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

I totally agree with you on every point.  I wish Koreans grew up and act like mature members of the international community.

You're a pretty fun girl. Do you go to UCLA?

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

I am not female and I graduated college years ago.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

Yes. Well according to Wikipedia -- "the Rusk documents stated that the official policy of the United States was that the MacArthur line would be abolished by the Treaty of San Francisco." (I am assuming the United States still had control of Japanese territory at this time.) The (SF) treaty was signed on September 8 of the same year, about a month after the (Rusk) documents were sent, and was to come into effect on April 28, 1952. 

In response, the South Korean government declared the Syngman Rhee Line three months before this date, when the extinction of the MacArthur line and the return of sovereignty to Japan were meant to be established.

(so it seems Rhee cheated/ignored the Treaty and established his own line) 

According to the Report of Van Fleet Mission to Far East made in 1954, the U.S. government maintained that the one-sided declaration of the Syngman Rhee Line was illegal under international law."

This an extremely strong case for Japan in the International Court of Justice. As I've said in other posts, Koreans having ancient maps that document Dokdo/Takeshima should be pretty meaningless to the ICJ. (I've seen the videos of the Korean maps with the island on the wrong side too, but those don't matter). Ancient Korean Maps or Japanese Maps for that matter shouldn't even be in the argument...

If we went by Ancient maps, Rome could claim they should get London back, since it was part of the Roman Empire at one time! 

The only meaningful documents in the case would be things like 'Report of Van Fleet Mission' because those were drafted in modern times after International Laws had been established. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this? Korea needs to prove that Syngman Rhee Line was legal and or justified under International Law. Period. End of Story.

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

I agree.  The thing that annoys me the most, not only on this island thing, but ancient history, etc., is that Koreans aren't open to other viewpoints or rational dialogue.  Their scholarship on history is laughable, and most of the meaningful work on Korean history is done by Western scholars.   Part of the problem is the Korean education system which discourages critical thinking and debate.

Before the advent of the Internet, most Koreans were only exposed to the government and media propaganda, and raised to hate Japan. But nowadays, the more intelligent and educated among them can access information online that their government has been hiding all these years. As someone said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Slowly but surely, Koreans will come to understand that they have been lied to all these years. Imagine the likely national disillusionment!

Stephon Yermom
Stephon Yermom

Haha @ OgonBat87, since you seem so uninformed, I'll yell it out here for you to hear: Do you even know that current Prime Minister Noda Yoshihiko denied the existence of forced sexual slavery in Comfort House just a few days ago? He demanded "evidence" of "forcefulness" in comfort house. You, as a Japanese (although you pretended to be an American for a while), should be ashamed of leaders like him because it really tarnishes Japan's image.

Guest
Guest

Stephon Yermom -- Your statement is inaccurate! Prime Minister Noda said no such thing. He just stated he believes that Dokdo and the Comfort Women are two seperate issues.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/na...

"Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda stressed Monday that the issue of compensation for so-called comfort women and the dispute between Japan and South Korea over the Takeshima islands are different problems."Naturally the two issues cannot be linked to each other," Noda told a House of Councillors Budget Committee meeting. "A territorial issue is a territorial issue."

You are talking about Mayor Toru Hashimoto of Osaka. A very different position from the Prime Minister! And yes Toru's statements are shameful and Japan should make him apologize! Please don't confuse the Prime Minister with a Mayor!!!!!!!!! You are the one who is "uniformed".

http://english.chosun.com/site...

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

Here's another Japanese person denying the sexual slavery of the comfort women:

http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1...

You should understand the arguments on the other side, so you could pose effective arguments or rebuttals of your own. 

Several Korean researchers like Professor Byeong-jik Ahn of Seoul National University stated that there is no evidence of the comfort women taken against their will by the Japanese military.  It takes great courage to express such views in Korea, so their findings must be given consideration.  Koreans have the oral testimony of the survivors which have varied greatly over the decades, but no documentary evidence while the Japanese right-wingers can present documents such as bank statements of the Korean comfort women showing fortunes made from the comfort services.  Today, as many as 10% of Korean women work in the sex industry.  Many were "forced" into the industry by poverty or greed.  Most of them used to work in Korea, but after the government cracked down on domestic prostitution, many now work abroad in massage parlors and karaoke bars all over the world. Some of them were tricked by deceitful brokers, but the vast majority knew what they were getting into.

I'm not taking sides.  Do your own research, and draw your own conclusions.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

I don't agree with this position. 

1) To me it is the equivalent of Holocaust Denial. Even if there's evidence that the accounts of the crimes are possibly exaggerated or are somewhat inaccurate, the world still accepts it as true, so there is no point in denying it. Denial just makes the denier look crazy and bad because they have the fringe opinion.

2) I've heard little girls were involved. 13 year olds and such. Even if they supposedly went willingly into it, they're too young understand, and it's a crime against children.

3) People were murdered and abused.

Japan needs to compromise on this issue and deal with it positively and sensitively for Korea. My argument for Positive Diplomacy goes both ways.

That mayor from Osaka's statements are just as bad if not much worse than President Lee's and further deteriorate the relationship. Those statements from Osaka are truly insulting and inflammatory. As are the one's that the mayor from Tokyo made!

If right wing Japanese jerks want to deny further compensation to Comfort Women, they should cite the "Treaty on Basic Relations" as a defense, completely denying the existence of the issue is distasteful!

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

I don't agree with the position, either.  I'm just throwing some stuff for Koreans to consider because their views are totally one-sided.

Nonetheless, based one what I read online, it seems that many comfort women were voluntary sex workers. For example (from a book by a Korean author):

Some Dutch middle-class women were taken forcibly from internment camps to work as comfort women.  But the ones forcibly taken made up about 30% of all Dutch comfort women.  The majority were prostitutes who had worked at private brothels.  In 1944, when a Japanese officer learned of the forced taking of the Dutch women and reported the problem to Tokyo, the practice was suspended.  

In this same Dutch internment camp, one 16-year-old Dutch girl was taken, and then returned to the camp because she was too young.  From what I've read, the Korean comfort women ranged mostly from 21-30, with 25 the median age.  Consider also that most Korean women at that time married around age 15-extended adolescence is a very recent Western concept. Romeo and Juliet were 14 and 13, I think.

Some Korean comfort women admitted that they had prayed for Japanese victory, and were disappointed by the news of Japan's defeat-result of brainwashing and assimilation policy, obviously. Some lived in luxurious quarters, and refused taking drunken Japanese soldiers.

I'll throw out a personal experience that makes me skeptical of the oral testimonies.  Years ago, I participated in a FBI bust of Korean prostitution rings in the U.S.  I translated at the interviews of the Korean women caught at the brothels.  Every one of them gave a story of being tricked by a broker promising a good job, and then being sold into prostitution in Korea and eventually making it into the U.S.  Not even one stated that she went into the sex work voluntarily. Yet, within 6 months after being rehabilitated and given job opportunities at restaurants, etc., almost all of them went back to the sex work as soon as they were out of the police radar.  They missed the easy life, and got bored making ordinary income doing hard work.  So I don't take every sex worker's sobbing story at face value.

If this sexual slavery thing was so extensive (200,000 women?), why was it finally brought to attention in the 1990's, and by Japanese activists first? Surely, some women were ashamed and embarrassed of their experience, but that many women could keep quiet so long and other people had absolutely no idea what went on?

On balance, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, with many forcibly taken or tricked but the vast majority choosing the high-income work voluntarily. The survivors probably give the stories of forced prostitution because they are ashamed to admit that they chose to work as prostitutes to the Japanese military and made fortunes.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

One politician making a stupid statement does not speak for ALL people in Japan, and yes his statement is shameful, but you want to blame ALL Japanese for one person's speech. He does not speak for all people of Japan.

Did you know President Lee wants to help his party's presidential nominee, Ms. Park?  Park is a daughter of the former President Park who served in the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII.  The opposition parties were likely to attack the "pro-Japanese" past of Park's father, and discredit Park.  Lee insulting the Japanese in the worst ways, and Park standing firm on Dokdo with Lee, etc., would help Park deflect the attacks on her father's past.

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

I wouldn't say that the islands clearly belong to Korea or Japan.  But I WILL say that the Korean government never took the case to the ICJ because it knew it would probably lose, partly because of U.S. documents supporting the Japanese position.  Anyway, some interesting facts/allegations (not necessarily true, but worth investigating) I learned for the first time from these international forums:

1)  The U.S. has all along believed that the islands were Japanese territory, chosen not to get involved in the dispute, and since the mid 50's urged South Korea to resolve the dispute at the ICJ.

2)  Many comfort women might well have been recruited against their will, but they were paid salaries that were 30 times the average Japanese soldier's pay.  Some might have chosen the work voluntarily to earn high income.

3)  The Japanese government offered to compensate individual victims of the colonialism; but the South Korean government asked to be paid directly on behalf of the victims, and used the money to build highways, steel company, power plants, etc., giving very little of the money to the actual victims.  

4)  South Korea took the compensation dollars in 1965, and agreed not to seek more damages from the colonial period.

5)  The colonial authority could not sustain itself from the tax revenues from Korea because even the Korean government had been bankrupt before the colonization.  The Japanese government provided the bulk of the national budget for the colonial authority.

6)  The right-wing textbooks denying many of the Japanese atrocities are shunned by almost all the schools, and used by only a handful of schools.

7)  That the Korean government has concealed these uncomfortable facts from its population and has fueled anti-Japanese sentiments in order to re-direct domestic discontents and criticism to an external target. (This is my conclusion based on the circumstances. This is going on even right now in the Korean government and media.)

Hmmm .....

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

I found this Report of the Van Fleet Mission too. It seems like Japan would have a very strong case in terms of International Law at the ICJ with all these documents.

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blog...

Pakkurareman
Pakkurareman

1.

The United States, as the most important member of the Allies and the

drafter of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, stated in the Van Fleet

Report (1954) as follows:

"When

the Treaty of Peace with Japan was being drafted, the Republic of Korea

asserted its claims to Dokto but the United States concluded that they

remained under Japanese sovereignty and the Island was not included

among the Islands that Japan released from its ownership under the Peace

Treaty."

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/...

2.

The 48 Allied nations signed the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which

"concluded that they (Takeshima/Dokdo) remained under Japanese

sovereignty and the Island was not included among the Islands that Japan

released from its ownership under the Peace Treaty."

3. South Korea must strictly observe this international determination and quit the illegal occupation of the island soon.

===========================================================

This territorial dispute between Japan and South Korea over Takeshima(Dokdo) is quite simple.

1. There is no historical fact that Korea had ever exercised any "effective control" over the islets prior to 1905.

2. Japan officially incorporated the islets in 1905 strictly following the procedures prescribed in the International law.

3.

After the WW2, the Allies determined that Takeshima/Dokdo should remain

as Japanese territory in the San Francisco Peace Treaty in 1951.

4.

Though the South Korean government had been informed of the

determination by the U.S. government in those diplomatic documents like

"Rusk documents", they ignored this international determination and

started occupying the islets illegally from 1952.

 

Stephon Yermom
Stephon Yermom

Well. Apparently Kirk lives in Japan. No wonder about his obvious propensity towards Japan.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

And you're a racist Korean, which makes you biased against Japan.

hyomin42
hyomin42

No one should ever criticize the Koreans for its "inability to forget the past."  One should never simply forget the past, but rather, remember and learn from history.  The Dokdo (Takeshima) Islands remain one of the most sensitive issues for South Koreans because it is essentially one of the last reminders of the brutal colonization (1910-1945).

Furthermore, the Chinese and Koreans would be willing to accept Japan's "apologies;" however, Japanese officials at the highest political level have disappointly backtracked from their expressions of remorse.  For instance, Former Prime Minister Abe Shinzo openly denied the existence of comfort women in 2001 and Tokyo Mayor Ishihara (who happens to be in his fourth term) has blatantly claimed that the Nanking Massacre was a hoax created by Chinese nationalists.  As recent as August 15th two members of the Cabinet joined a long list of prolific Japanese politicians, which includes Former Prime Minister Koizumi, by paying their respects at the Yasukuni Shrine, that is dedicated to "war heroes" such as the 14 Class A war criminals found guilty in the Far East Asian Military Tribunal at the end of World War II.

As a consequence, China and Korea are unwilling to move past the historical trauma because on several occasions, Japan has either avoided or denied the war atrocities (ie. the controversial history textbooks).  This isn't about some monetary compensation that the author so shamelessly suggested be attached to a simple "sorry."  This is about respecting history and respecting neighbors in order to move on and improve relations.  Should Tokyo openly acknowledge the sins of its forefathers and extend a hand, in a similar manner to the Germans, then the rest of Asia would openly accept and forgive Japan.  Until that day, Japan will continue to face flares of anti-Japanese sentiment in Northeast Asia. 

SageExtraordinaire
SageExtraordinaire

Colonialism was brutal everywhere.  You think European colonial powers were not brutal?  Most Africans today speak French or English, a legacy of the colonial pasts.  Similar situation with the Arabs.  Americans killed tens of thousands Filipinos including children to quell the independence movement.  The Japanese killed at most 7,000 out of 2 million Korean demonstrators over the 12-months period in the 3-1 Independence Movement.  The colonial authority then brought liberal reforms to address the Koreans' grievances. (Most of the Korean independence activists, including the 33 signatories to the 3-1 Declaration were spared their lives despite their repeated run-ins with the colonial authority. Many of them returned to Korea after the Liberation, only to be slain by Syngman Rhee. If you really want to know what atrocities are, read about the Bodo League and Jeju Massacres by Rhee's government.)

The Japanese rule had many positive aspects:  industrialization, universal education, eradication of the caste system, some freedom of speech and press.  The Koreans rail against the 36 years of Japanese exploitation, but they keep quiet about the 2000 years of exploitation by the native rulers who held half the Korean population in slavery and taxed the commoners to the bones.  For the average Korean, life during the Japanese rule was better than anytime in the prior 2000 years.  For the same 2000 years, Korea was a vassal state of China and sent horses and young women as tributes to the Chinese emperors.  Why don't you complain about that?  In the latter half of Chosun Dynasty, Korea even sent tributes to the Japanese Shogun.

Do your own research.  You're brainwashed like most Koreans.  Learn the facts and judge for yourself.  If you're too lazy to read books, just google stuff online.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

Many residents of Jeju escaped from the massacre to Japan.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Cathy Warden  "Discrimination In Japan" 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Korean American artist David Choe served 3 months in a Japanese prison for beating up a Japanese cop(possibly only a rental cop), they were trying to give him 7 years for that. 

Check out this guys adventures:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Dosan Ahn Chang Ho (his fight against Japanese dominance in Korea and the U.S.A.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Why did Christianity never survive in Japan?

"Hidden Christians - Japan"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

So far GoldenBat87 has changed her name after I exposed her fetishes on google(just type GoldenBat87).  She has also finnally come clean about her Japanese heritage instead of acting like a neutral party like she initially portrayed herself out to be.  Shame shame lol.  I love how she tried to play the role of high and mighty peace loving diplomat, the young woman doesn't know it's hard to fake an image.  Just be yourself lady. 

You have been exposed for your ninjer activities!

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

 Trying to antagonize a male by calling them female?

Typical homophobic behavior, not mention juvenile. You would have loved Nazi Germany. They executed homosexuals there too.

I am indeed peace loving. I have never advocated violence in anything I've posted here. Also please learn the difference between your and you're. You're is an abbreviation for "you are", your is possessive.

Example:  "YOU'RE a racist Korean (you are) . That is YOUR attitude. (you posses that attitude)"

People will take your arguments more seriously if you learn these simple grammatical rules. Your arguments come off as even more childish because of the grammatical errors, beyond the childish ideas you postulate.

Shopping Directory
Shopping Directory

This is reality, not trying to fuel the fire but what are we suppose to think when we stuff like this happens.

 

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

More Gaegogi movies...WARNING: Explicit violence to animals content in the first link.

Just to be clear, I'm not anti-Korean, I am just posting these to point out the fact that people can find something in anyone's culture they find despicable according to their own moral standards. For Dashul it's the nose tombs from 500+ years ago, for others it's dog slaughter which is happening right now in Korea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

My question would be if some Koreans say this is an important part of their culture, why do they hide it from some of the cameramen in these videos?

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

GoldenBat87 wrote, "It's common knowledge in America not to use that word. You claim you use it as an abbreviation, but then you say you're "sensitive" about the matter?

That means you know it's racist, so why use it?

Answer: You used it because you are racist"

It's almost like you want me to be a racist lol.

Some of us Koreans are a bit boorish and rude but most of us are not reserved racist like Japanese. 

BTW, if you ask anyone who studies racism(whatever field of study that is), they will tell you we all have racist tendencies. 

Stephon Yermom
Stephon Yermom

Haha don't bother. She even likes her own comments to gain credibility.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Thanks for noticing her ninjer activites.  I knew the readers would recognize that GoldenBat87 keeps "liking" her own comments eventhough they don't pertain to the subject.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

Do you guys celebrate the traditional occasion known as Malbok?

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

"most of us are not reserved racist like Japanese."

No, some Koreans, like yourself are OVERT RACISTS. That's why they treat black people like subhumans in their Korean owned liquor stores.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Ask yourself this.  Why do black and Japanese get along so well?  Why do Koreans and Mexicans/Latinos own Los Angeles?

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

There's just as many Mexicans working in Japanese restaurants as there are in K-town joints. I haven't seen any evidence that "Japanese and blacks get along well", although I know some Japanese people like hip-hop as do many Koreans.

Koreans own Los Angeles because they're hard working and have cool businesses...

Some of them are rip-offs of Japanese though. Go to Tangier in Los Feliz and ask your self why Koreans are yelling " Irasshaimase!" when guests come into a Korean BBQ place with Anime playing all over TV screens....

Half the sushi places here are Korean owned, and they serve Bibimbap on the menu...so inauthentic...and they prey upon the non-asian's ignorance.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

We treat them like they supposed to be treated.  Koreans are for real, we don't ninjer stuff.  That's why Mexican get along great with Koreans, we both like to work hard, joke around and be real.  No superficial stuff.  If some black fool came to me acting silly I'll "bink em" like my FOB brothers do verbally.  You act cool, we cool, no ninjer activity with Koreans.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

Haha. I KNEW you hated blacks too. Still not over the L.A. riots? You know one of many reasons the riots started was because a Korean shop owner murdered a little black girl... and got a very light punishment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

Horse Fighting? Cats and kittens boiled alive? Dogs terrorized, then killed so adrenaline gets into their meat for a supposed better taste and to increase Korean men's sex drive? Dog more popular than lamb for consumption?

This is reality, not trying to fuel the fire but what are we suppose to think when we stuff like this happens. (your own words and bad grammar used back at you)

South Koreans seem to be experts on animal abuse...and you complain about nose tombs from over 500 years ago...

Horse Fighting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Dog eating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Dog Slaughter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Dog meat, Gaegogi (개고기) in Korean, Dog Wine, Cat Wine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Most of the International Community is against these activities. Dog Meat is illegal in South Korea, yet the South Korean Government turns a blind eye so Korean men can keep eating it for sexual stimulation. South Korea should really think about how their behavior is viewed by the world.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Most of the international community has a history of eating dogs and some still do, so where do you get your info or statistics?  Or is it your willful thinking that the international community is against Korea?  Also where do you get your info that dog meat is illegal in Korea?  Remember I asked you two questions.

I'm trying to expose more ninjer lies.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

"Also where do you get your info that dog meat is illegal in Korea?"

http://animalrightskorea.org/d...

"Little has changed over the years regarding the dog meat industry in Korea. The selling and processing of dog meat is still technically illegal. The situation could be summed up with this paradox: it is illegal to produce and consume dog meat ..."

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-0...

"The threatened boycott comes at one of the most popular times of the year for Koreans to consume dog meat -- a traditional occasion popularly known as "Malbok", the last of three annual "dog days". Although it is expensive, the meat is usually served up in a soup or a spicy stew and is particularly popular with old men in the belief that it boosts virility.

But it is also officially illegal."

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Only someone like you who's up writing this at 4:30 am would equate animal abuse with human torture/murder.

Although I don't advocate dog eating, the Brahmins consider cows holy so it's really relative(I've already explained this GoldenBat87).  I even told you there might even be a tribe in brazil that worships chickens.  Funny how you don't mention the Swiss, Chinese, Vietnamese or many African nations who also eat dogs.

But since you mentioned eating habits.....Like I asked you b4, why is Japan one of the few countries that doesn't make cannibalism illegal?

I think that's why Japan has sick individuals like Mao Sugiyama, the asexual who chopped off his own genital and actually found Japanese people to pay to eat it.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

"BTW, if you ask anyone who studies racism(whatever field of study that is), they will tell you we all have racist tendencies."

There you go justifying racism, bigot.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

GoldenBat87 wrote, "You're justifying North Korea's actions of kidnapping by saying it's okay because Japan did it.

Haha."

Nice try dingbat, your almost there though.   lol

I think kidnapping is wrong, and what happen to that one Meiji girl or something is horrible.  I just think it's a weak and petty argument to bring up kidnapping since japan kidnapped an astounding number of people compared to what north korea did.  Japan not only kidnapped people but, eventually just resorted to killing them and cutting off their noses as proof.  Ever heard of nose tombs?

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

You miss the point, as usual. You don't understand my argument.

I'm not comparing North Korea's kidnappings to Japan's, YOU ARE. Whoever kidnapped more or less people isn't the argument!

The point is kidnapping is a CRIME. The further point is that North Korea gave back some kidnapped victims through POSITIVE DIPLOMACY and made up for their CRIMES. If the victim countries try to work with the countries that wronged them in a positive way, then the governments will make up for their crimes.

President Lee's actions were antagonistic, and hurt positive relations!

So was the Korean soccer player's actions.

That's the point.

And bringing up something that happened in 14th or 15th century like nose tombs is so typical for you. Caring about stuff that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Why do you care so much? You live hundreds of years later from these events.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Now GoldenBat87 is justifying the actions Japanese right-wingers.  She wants us to ignore them but they are representative of Japan.  There was also a small party that every one ignored until they suddenly took over, the Nazi party.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

GoldenBat87 wrote, "So you believe that no other Christians killed people? Look up U.S. History where Christian Americans gave the Native Americans blankets they knew were infested with disease to kill them. I'm tired of this Christian issue argument anyways. It has nothing to do with this issue other than Christians justified their killing of people by God."

I think they were Catholics, I'm not sure but it doesn't matter.  You know why?  Because such acts are not of Christ, don't you get it?  Those acts are in contradiction to what Jesus teaches so how can you call them christian?  Your level of logic is astounding to me.  Sheesh man, what's wrong with your brain?

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

They weren't Catholics. These were American Christians expanding west.

"Those acts are in contradiction to what Jesus teaches so how can you call them christian?"

Because they called themselves Christians. They represented their Christian churches. Period. That's logic.

You can't deny the crimes of Christians because they "aren't acting according to the teachings of Jesus". They chose certain things the Bible said to justify their actions, so in their minds they were Christians. And in everyone else's minds as well. They used the Christian Bible to justify their crimes.

Quit denying your Christian crimes, by denying Christians committed them. In the eyes of the WORLD they were Christians.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

There really will be no true resolution between Korea and Japan.  People like GoldenBat87 say, "Why do you keep bring up the past? Stop dwelling in the past.  Japan already paid reparations and S. Korean government agreed to it."  These are all simply justifications for war crimes that were so atrocious you don't want to associate youself with.  Should Koreans forgive Japan?  I think so, so do many others.  Should we forget the past like GoldenBat87 proposes?  Never, I'll never forget the vicitms who suffered so horribly I won't even mention the details here.  It should definitely be constantly spoken about.  Is there really a sum Japan can pay that will right the wrong they did?  I don't think so.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

I never said to "forget the war crimes", racist.

You can't refute my point about the North Korean kidnappings of Japanese people (off the coast of Japan) being released as part of positive diplomatic relations, so you put words in my mouth.

Japan gave back Korean royal archives to achieve positive diplomatic relations too:

http://ontd-political.livejour...

Antagonizing Japan isn't going to get you what you claim you want, and you yourself said that no amount of money will cover for the crime.

What you really want is to murder every single Japanese through genocide, because you are racist, bigot who hates Japan. Admit your HATE. You're a hateful Christian with nothing but hate in your heart.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

Now I understand why you were so mad when I wrote "Jap", eventhough it was an abbreviation for me.  But you shouldn't have been dishonest about your race, I would've been more sensitive about the matter.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

 It's common knowledge in America not to use that word. You claim you use it as an abbreviation, but then you say you're "sensitive" about the matter?

That means you know it's racist, so why use it?

Answer: You used it because you are racist.

Dalsuh
Dalsuh

don't even mention kidnappings.  Japan has been kidnapping chinese and koreans for centures(sex slaves, potters, ironsmiths),

Your giving more justification. 

btw, calm down, it's okay.

OgonBat87
OgonBat87

 You're justifying North Korea's actions of kidnapping by saying it's okay because Japan did it.

Haha.

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