Viewpoint: Immigration Reform’s New Day

Aug. 15 saw the beginning of the President's new "deferred action" directive and thousands of young undocumented queued up to take advantage of it around the country

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Hundreds of people line up around the block from the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles offices to apply for deportation reprieve in Los Angeles, Aug. 15, 2012.

There is a new normal — a noticeable and irreversible shift — in the way our country is talking about its undocumented residents, especially young people who’ve grown up in the U.S. and call America home.

And today was the most tangible and visible part yet of that shift.

(READ: Not Legal Not Leaving)

Starting early this morning, under the Obama administration’s “deferred action” directive announced earlier this summer, upwards of 1.5 million undocumented youth under age 31 can apply for work permits and live without fear of deportation, at least temporarily. Make no mistake: this move, under a Democratic White House, is the most significant development in the fight for immigrant rights since the Republican icon Ronald Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Here in Chicago, which held a “Dream Relief Day” that provided information and assistance to eager and anxious applicants, more than 11,000 undocumented youth, many of them teenagers, lined up by mid-morning. The line stretched by several blocks under the mild summer sun.

Online, within social networks, the mood has been largely enthusiastic as undocumented young people and their allies examine the finer details of the application, which cost $465. By mid-afternoon a graphic titled “Deferred Action Budget” was being shared on Facebook and providing a breakdown of costs (and inspiration): “Deferred Action Application: $0. Work Permit Application: $380. Biometrics:  $85. Following Your Dream: Priceless.” On Twitter, a newly created fund that is raising money to offset the cost of the fees, especially for low-income immigrants, started making the rounds. Online and offline, the images were striking, bordering on surreal: the very government that undocumented people once feared and hid from is now seeking to welcome and register many of them.

“What if they go after us once they collect our names and information?” I overheard a bespectacled young Latina ask her friend while they waited.

“We’re here. We’re in line. This is good news,” the friend responded. They laughed, nervously.

(PHOTOS: From the Family Photos of an Undocumented Immigrant)

Striking still is the silence from the leaders of the Republican Party who’ve been relatively measured in criticizing the directive, lest they continue alienating a young multicultural generation that has equated the GOP with being the anti-immigrant party.

Standing on Lakeshore Drive, bearing witness to history, I couldn’t help but think of all the young undocumented people — of various ethnic and racial backgrounds, whose dreams are as diverse as America itself — who inspired me to “come out” and disclose my undocumented status in an essay for the New York Times Magazine last summer. Their resilience, courage and activism, their insistence to be seen as human beings, made this day possible. I also couldn’t help but think of the 35 undocumented youth from across the country who stood with me on a cover photograph for TIME magazine earlier this summer, under the headline “We are Americans — just not legally.” Most of them qualify for deferred action, and when they found out that I do not (I am 31 and missed the age cut-off by four months), they comforted me and assured me that the fight is not over.

Indeed, the fight continues for broad and necessary reform that addresses the complexity and nuances of a complex and nuanced issue. Deferred action, after all, is not the DREAM Act, the once-bipartisan bill that grants a permanent path to legalization. Under a controversial program called Secure Communities, families are still being separated and people are still being deported. Our mothers and fathers, our older brothers and sisters — people who contribute to the economy, who are, in fact, integral parts of our economic and social well-being — are still living in fear. In other words, today is only the beginning, just one temporary step in a long journey for permanent reform.

History only moves forward, one step at a time.

MORE: Inside the World of the “Illegal” Immigrant

Vargas is a journalist and the founder of Define American, an immigration-awareness campaign.

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The_Eagle
The_Eagle

Thorman, I certainly know what parlance means. It's quite presumptuous of you to think that I might not. You are right, the law does not refer to "illegal alien." That is simply a term in common usage which makes it neither right nor wrong. Suffice it to say, aliens in the US without documents, or who have overstayed their documents (tourists, students, for example) are "aliens illegally in the U.S." You can say it however you prefer: foreigners in the U.S. in violation of law, if it suits you. One term which is imprecise and not worth much is "undocumented immigrant." Many immigrants have some documents (40 per cent of the aliens illegally in the U.S. entered with documents at Ports of Entry). Another term which is even more imprecise is "non-citizen." Since the collapse of the Iron Curtain countries, here are very few stateless persons. Most people are citizens of some country and therefore not "non-citizens." I myself prefer not to use labels in any case, but at times it becomes necessary in the interest of brevity. 

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

I see. Pardon me for my presumptuousness, I must admit I mistook you for a miseducated emotional harper but you are not. I've said many times as much as I can, I harbor no ill will towards anyone, thus I harbor no ill will or ill feelings towards you. I don't espouse disrespecting the law, I do believe the mean time that something needs to be done with the immigration system which is obviously broken because for the time being, in the interest of brevity, it criminalizes a lot of innocent people like these kids, even those people who no matter what they do to stay 'legal' still falls off of the 'legal grid' due to high restrictionism brought for by the current policies- which has been proven time and time again is broken.

Take for example the case of Sergio Garcia, his immigrant petition was approved in 1995 and up to this point, he is still waiting for his visa- that's 17 years of waiting. His parents or one of them is a US citizen. http://newsandinsight.thomsonr...

It sure it is hard to know which label to use and I agree with you on that. I myself prefer not to use any label - a part of me respects the law and another part of me acknowledges broken law. Let's just hope there's a solution to this because the last thing I want to see is people like us being fought against each other for the sake of vote-getting. Looking forward to a fruitful discussion with you though in the future.

The_Eagle
The_Eagle

Apology accepted :-) I am in full agreement with you about the desirability of fruitful discussions about the issue. One thing many will agree upon is that there's too much emotion and not much reasoned comments. I would like to take one brief moment to explain why Sergio is still waiting for his permanent residence: Congress, in the Immigration and Nationality Act, limits family sponsored visas for unmarried sons and daughters of U.S. citizens to 23,400 per country. Married sons and daughters get the same number. The problem is that the demand from Mexico, China, and India is so high (backlogged) that for Mexicans, visa petitions for unmarried sons filed before June 6, 1993, are being processed this month. The worldwide cut-off date is August 1, 2005. For married sons amp; daughters, the cut-off is even earlier. 

It's sometimes easy to forget that there's a reason why people have to wait so long to immigrate to the U.S. when they have close family ties. It's not simply a matter of "getting in line" as some politicians say. There are certain limits for family visas and work visas and the worldwide demand is high resulting in categories reaching their annual limit (parents and spouses of U.S. citizens have no annual limit). Finally, it's important to note that the U.S. admits around 1,000,000 foreigners per year for permanent residence and also grants refugee status to large numbers making it the #1 country in the world for both categories. 

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

I agree. Yes, I'm familiar with the limits and high demand coming from those countries. Sometimes I can't help but wonder that maybe it's just best not to accept applications like "not processing at this time" that way it's a clear cut "no." This way people wouldn't be led to spending lots of money for immigration purposes only to wait for a backlog making them just risk the technicality of unlawful presence, which most likely leads them to look into other places not just the US. It's like courting a girl, leading you on. I don't know, I'm still processing many thoughts. There really is a ground somewhere where I believe we all can meet.

However as whatever it may sound, US has a lot of economic policies and ties worldwide that the world is indeed becoming one for example, the European Union or otherwise known as one economic integration.

I guess it's all part of our evolving world or society. Looks like congress needs the help of evolutionary thinkers or political geniuses.

I don't know if you watch the animated comedy Futurama, maybe we are bound to be called "Earthicans" 

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

How should we refer to people who migrate illegally?

http://roygermano.com/2012/02/...

and keep in mind, make sure not to give blown out assumptions that people just want to break the law for we never know the intent of another person unless you are professor X of the X men.

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

It's because a lot of them do really have roots in the US and US advertises American dream worldwide which began in economic colonization or colonization per se of 3rd world countries.

I harbor no ill will towards you or anyone but I recommend you to read this article http://roygermano.com/2012/02/...

Goob05
Goob05

Undocumented students are an untapped source of income. Think about it, charge 500.00 for the application fee, pay 100.00 for a Driver's license (special license for undocumented) with a renewal date of 1 year so its 100.00 per year. allow them loans for autos or home with a higher interest with 20%down. they must pay for auto insurance too. And then IF allowed path to residency or citizenship what will be the first thing they purchase??? houses, cars, plane tickets, furniture, etc. and no more remittances to Mexico. lets face it, they save alot and always pay cash money. If you make them denounce their Mexican citizenship and swear loyalty to only the US and make them pay a penalty fee of 5,000 to 10,000 each person, with the requirement of DENYING Welfare, or Gov assistance, alot of people will denounce their birth country and pay whatever fine. which equals more income for US gov and businesses. our country pays $50,000 to keep a prisoner IN JAIL!!, why not make an island and deport them, AND make undocumented people that are not criminals pay a fine? its a win win.

18235
18235

no mexican in usa is ever ever gonna denounce mexico----there are puetro ricans in nyc and pa that 4ever wave the peurto rican flag, and never ever wave USA flag.

BESIDES, USA COMPANIES HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN MEXICO---ITS OK BY USA COMPANIES IF MEXICANS IN USA SEND MONEY BACK TO MEXICO.....usa banks in mexico love that.

Goob05
Goob05

They will, why not?

These kids have never lived in Mexico or don't even remember living in it.

Why love Mexico when Mexico treated their parents like Shi%.?

what has Mexico given them? No jobs, no education, and constant threat of the Cartels killing mexican citizens for drug money.

Why not embrace USA? though USA does have its share of issues, but compared to Mexico....

Mexico is only Wonderful when you have CASH money. at least in the USA you don't die of hunger, theres always good o'l dollar menu.

Goob05
Goob05

dont get me started on the flag waving,

if you want to waive anothers countries flag you must pay a tax, or flag permit :) YES Flag PERMIT = extra income for the government. another win win

stewartlawrence277
stewartlawrence277

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abrakad2012
abrakad2012

I stood in front of US embassy multiple times to get the visa for many hours together. I am basically locked to my current employer till he completes processing greencard which might take 15 years. my wife even though has a Masters cannot work because she is here legally. I cannot move to a different employer or loose my GC queue standing, cannot work a second job, cannot change to a different field of job, cannot go to night or weekend college, I cannot visit my birth country, cannot have small ticket  or loose the next visa extension. and some get to jump the line.

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

Wish everybody the best. I was in the same situation that it's so hard, but it doesn't give me a right to wish just as worse with everyone else. If things get better for others my attitude is just to be happy for them. Don't blame people, blame the broken system. You are a victim as much as anyone else with the broken immigration system

abrakad2012
abrakad2012

 I stood in front of US embassy multiple times to get the visa for many hours together. I am basically locked to my current employer till he completes processing greencard which might take 15 years. my wife even though has a Masters cannot work because she is here legally. I cannot move to a different employer or loose my GC queue standing, cannot work a second job, cannot change to a different field of job, cannot go to night or weekend college, I cannot visit my birth country, cannot have small ticket  or loose the next visa extension. and some get to jump the line.

abraka2012
abraka2012

I stood in front of US embassy multiple times to get the visa for many hours together. I am basically locked to my current employer till he completes processing greencard which might take 15 years. my wife even though has a Masters cannot work because she is here legally. I cannot move to a different employer or loose my GC queue standing, cannot work a second job, cannot change to a different field of job, cannot go to night or weekend college, I cannot visit my birth country, cannot have small ticket  or loose the next visa extension. and some get to jump the line.

The_Eagle
The_Eagle

Some people don't like the term "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant." Alien is not a derogatory word, it's a noun, and the definition of "alien" is contained in the Immigration amp; Nationality Act. The term "immigrant is also defined. However, I've found that in order not to hurt feelings, the phrase "alien illegally in the U.S." will suffice. I've even used "foreigner" in place of alien, but not immigrant because it confuses the discussion between aliens lawfully admitted for permanent residence ("green card" holders) and immigrants without the right to reside permanently in the U.S. (so-called illegals). 

One thing I've always had difficulty understanding is why it is that foreigners who got educated here, often for free (K-12), don't want to return to their country of nativity where they can make great contributions. Why does "family reunification" have to occur in the U.S.? 

Dave Francis
Dave Francis

Seriously

though, are we as Americans expected forever to keep subsidizing pregnant

females with 400.000 smuggling annually unborn babies, indigent people who slip

past borders or the other 40 percent who fly into America never to return home?

It is so easy for the both parties to remain unconcerned or staying

deliberately ignorant about this silent invasion. THE DREAM CHILDREN ARE HERE

TO STAY, BUT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT MUST BE ZERO TOLERANCE IN THE FUTURE.  BUT REMEMBER THE PARENTS WHO ILLEGALLY

BROUGHT THEM HERE HAVE NO DEFENSE AND STILL CAN BE REMOVED? The numbers of

illegal aliens has risen through decades from the time of the first mass amnesty

of 1968. From that time businesses have hounded politicians, to leave well

alone and now illegal immigrants seem to have more influence than citizens?

 

For the high

pressure corporate entities, its financial gain on a grand scale as the wealthy

do not live in the neighborhoods, which are literary toilets for the poor and

the uneducated foreigners. So they can laugh at us mere taxpayers, who have to

deal with the rampant crime or just the deterioration of our communities. For

the wealthy business owners it is just pure greed of discount illegal workers.  These types of people are not bothered, as

they are not paying out enormous taxes, to support the list of welfare

handouts.

 

I used to be

a predictable Democrat, but I realize now that a large majority of their voters

are out for what they can get? The freeloader--those who feel it’s the

responsibility of the government to keep them and support their drug, drink and

tobacco habits. The people who are medically infirm or mentally sick are the

ones who are hurting, because government support has been cut way down, to pay

the schooling, health care treatment for illegal aliens, which is our burden to

tolerate?  Over the years illegal

immigration has become a huge unmovable yoke around the necks of every taxpayer

and it’s not going away.

 

Presumably

not under the prospective presidency of MITT ROMNEY or President Obama will the

situation change for the American people, but with an understanding of previous

issue debates and discussions of VP Paul Ryan, he seems to have the attributes

moderate conservative that can really upset his Democrat betrayers of the U.S.

Constitution. It is doubtful to me that Mitt Romney has a TEA PARTY ideology,

but his Vice President Ryan has been deemed one of the selected.

 

Immigration

and under Obama’s Justice Department all I can see for the future, is more

unrealistic backdoor amnesties through executive orders. More money for taxpayers

to keep filling the state treasuries to pay for unfunded mandates for illegal

immigrant support, just as matching with the ObamaCare, so everybody is

forcibly committed to pay for the parasites who find it easy to live of the

working public.

 

Whereas I

was originally a democrat in a Republican family, but all I have ever seen from

both political parties, is nothing more that the same agenda’s with never ever

any different in the direction they are going. That’s why I joined the PEOPLE’S

TEA PARTY and looking for change; change like America has never seen before.

That’s why we have a maximum effort on behalf of advocates to intrude on the

Republican Party to see a new direction. Issues like drilling for oil, locating

natural gas and reopening the coal mines that Obama’s Environmental Protection

Agency stringent regulations to not approve any permits. The green project

pushed by fanatical environmentalists is pushing for windmills, solar are not

enough at this time, when America desperately needs energy to run industry and

our homes. Can you believe Obama actually wants to give even MORE money to the

green industry—despite wasting billions in taxpayer dollars to fund now

BANKRUPT solar companies?  Can you say

Solyndra? Remember that Obama donors had ties to those companies.  Corruption and cronyism is running rampant at the

taxpayers’ expense?

 

 Both parties are guilty of allowing OPEC and

other countries to control our oil needs, when we have immense deposits off the

coast and inland. Shipping good is costing truckers their jobs, because Obama’s

EPA prefers to stick us with foreign oil and the costs that come with it.

 

Turn the

tide of an unceasing Socialist experiment played by the Democrats and Liberals,

with an incredulous plan that Obama is sure to enact if has a new coronation

next year. The Tea Party no longer has the luxury of merely trying to win, it

is now “do or die” for our nation. The struggle is between a socialist schedule

and the endurance of the Free-Enterprise Republic. Decide now to join us in our

fight…or be predestined to live in a country that is shackled by socialism. I’m

afraid under Obama’s agenda there is no middle ground.  To be perfectly clear, if the Tea Party

falters now…if we lay back or slack off then America we know will be gone

forever. The TEA PARTY will let free trade succeed, but will sanction countries

as China who are manipulating their coinage and cheating us.  We cannot trust the Democrats who remain

deliberately unconcerned with non-citizens voting. Both parties refuse to enact

mandatory E-Verify (H.R. 2885), to expel illegal aliens from businesses, and a

Birthright Citizenship law (H.R. 140), that allows a projected 400.000 babies a

year who gain citizenship, without a parent holding U.S. citizenship status. With

an unmatched nationwide recession, the Democrats and Republicans have done

nothing to reduce the 16 trillion deficits, that this country is now being

financially asphyxiated.

 

American

citizens have witnessed firsthand the destructive power of Obama’s socialist

agenda and seen, with their own eyes, the destruction that radical Marxist

advocate Sal D. Alinsky tactics have brought. Surf his name on the Internet and

see the influence of people as this individual and Socialist George Soros.  Instead of Democrats following immigration

laws as a policy issue they would rather stalk the state of Arizona, because

they are the epicenter of illegal immigrants and migrants fleecing that state’s

welfare coffers. Anybody who dares to go against the ultra left target is

relentlessly pursued, such as Sheriff Joe Arpaio, or former Rep. Russell

Pierce.  Incidentally—this country is a

nation of laws, but since Obama has been in power they have been ignored.

 

We must use

every asset, every tool, every means possible to stop the evil agenda in

Washington and replace it with men of courage and vision, those dedicated to

freedom, liberty and justice for all. We must do it NOW. Issues as the Tax

code, which has been manipulated for the cronies in both parties. We need a tax

equally for everybody and not just for corporate friends and the wealthy

insiders of Wall Street, but for Main Street. The Tea Party is revolted by

Obama’s nauseating lies and horrible claims about presidential candidate Romney

and his running mate, Paul Ryan. s the campaign continues, it becomes painfully

clear the office of the President of the United States of America has been mired

by the un-American oratory and persistent mud-slinging coming from the party of

the donkey. The Liberal mainstream Media protects their love child. In recent

days, the Obama Regime has attacked the evolution of the TEA PARTY—attacking

Mitt Romney—Paul Ryan—U.S. Constitution-- Conservative form of government--America’s

system of checks and balances (no more Congressional approval needed for

presidential appointees)--Freedom, guns and the American way.  But the truth of the matter is clear, open

and summarizing.   While Obama strains to accuse Romney of nasty

and contemptible acts, the people of the Tea Party know better!

 

Obama has

sanctioned Eric Holder’s and his minions “Gun Walking - Fast and Furious” which

killed Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Then loving mothers and fathers,

innocent grandparents and children in Mexico have been massacred by our

weapons. Then U.S. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada has endorsed in the Senate that

the IRS child tax credit for illegal aliens costing 5 billion annually should

continue, even if the children live outside the U.S. The Tea Party stands for

conservative values across the board and will NOT back down even when assumed Conservative

Republicans demand the Tea Party shut-up and sit down?

American people must

stand up and be counted or we be leaning towards a Socialist nation, with a

massive bureaucratic uncontrollable government that shadows us all, with

handouts for everybody. Only the voters, the destitute and the freeloaders are

in the Democratic pockets, who have always wanted ‘Something for nothing.’ It

is the same with the illegal aliens who have poured through fences, protesting

for equal rights once here, brandishing foreign flags, insisting for the same

rights as citizens-legal residents and now being given food stamps for their

votes, even though they scorned our immigration laws to come here.

 

Do you know

that in the November 2010 mid-term election, less than 5 percent of military

voters were able to cast an absentee vote that counted, according to data

released by the federal Election Assistance Commission? Well sure, because they

tend to vote Republican and NOT in Obama’s favor. Our own military men and

women ROBBED of their vote.  What’s more

as part of the ROB THE VOTE plan: 2 million DEAD people are included in U.S.

voter rolls. Washington is viciously fighting Florida’s challenge to clean up

and purge voter records of illegal’s, deceased, non-citizens and those not

eligible to vote. Lax controls at voter polls; a national campaign such as

ACORN soliciting foreigners to register to vote and a strong opposition to the

use of photo ID at voter polls by the Washington Czars. JOIN THE TEA PARTY AND

END THIS MOVEMENT TOWARDS SOCIALISM AS THE COUNTRY OF GREECE?

 

It might

alarm you to know that there are some gaping holes in Barack Obama’s

citizenship. Other than say decide for yourself, if the evidence supplied

equals a response from the House of Representative and Senate. Just check out

the relevant information at any TEA PARTY website or go directly to TEA PARTY

DOT ORG.  So much intelligence is being

concealed by the Democrats and the mainstream press to this oppressive

travesty.

 

Jimmy Harpoon
Jimmy Harpoon

Americans....you do not have the "best country in the world". You have higher morbidity and mortality rates than almost every developed country. You have 80 million people who can't afford health care. You're attitude towards everything is, " I got mine - if you can't get yours - tough." You hate the poor because that's easier than finding solutions to poverty. You allowed millions to lose their homes but bailed out the banks. What kind of a country do you think you are?

duduong
duduong

Considering that the US was founded by illegal immigrants who subsequently murdered the natives and took the land, I always find the moral righteousness of their descendants' anti-immigrant stand questionable, hypocritical and little more than a cover for racism.

Obama's new policy, although timid, is a first step in the direction of racial reconciliation and inclusion, and therefore a rare triumph of decency over bigotry in modern American politics.

18235
18235

considering that the US was founded by....slave owners....

considering that the US was founded by...child labor, working 10 hour days...

considering that the US was founded by....women who couldnt vote...

WHAT HAPPENED 200 YEARS AGO SHOULDNT MATTER....NOW!

duduong
duduong

"WHAT HAPPENED 200 YEARS AGO SHOULDNT MATTER....NOW! "

Did you say that to your American History teacher in high school? Do you say that to people around you every time the US anthem is played? If the answer is no and no, aren't you being hypocritical here?

History has a lot to do with our daily lives, whether one realizes it or not. Those who deny the Civil War was fought over slavery ("state rights" was the excuse) are exactly the same people who are trying to make voting difficult for minority voters in the 21st century. Those who prevented restitution to the Japanese Americans who were sent to concentration camps for nothing other than their ethnicity are the same people who are trying to provoke a war with China right now. Those who re-elected George W. Bush in 2004, thus endorsing both his military invasion of Iraq on false pretense as well as unrestricted deregulation that leads to the banking meltdown of 2008, are still pushing more of the same policies against Syria and on tax cut for the rich even today. Do you honestly think that the American public won't benefit at all from historical lessons?

18235
18235

OVER POPULATION IS GOOD----that should be the rallying cry for liberals who love millions of illegal aliens in usa.

DelawareBob
DelawareBob

What a DISGRACE!  We have 20 million Americans out of work and obama issues work permits to illegal aliens.  WHAT A DISGRACE!

I'm not a republican, but I will be voting for one this election, and pray to God he will get our immigration laws enforced. I'm sick of obama and the democraps pandering to these people who have NO RIGHT to be in this country. The illegal aliens who don't have our jobs, are using this country as a welfare country with their anchor babies, (illegal alien children). Why should illegal aliens be entitled to a DREAM Act? They are in this country ILLEGALLY no matter how they got here. It's time to get these illegal aliens back to their own country where they belong. They DO NOT belong here! Illegal immigration is a cancer, it has to be eradicated not tolerated.Liberal Democrat stupidity knows no limits.

Tino Panama
Tino Panama

Something tells me you are a middle age white man. Your ancestors were illegal immigrants. Does that mean you should be deported? Please respond to this question. 

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

 If you're courting a girl, it doesn't mean you have to like her mom. Just because these young kids were given a chance to work, it doesn't mean it's prioritizing them over american citizens who are out of work. The funny thing here is that despite the difficulty of legal status they are able to study meanwhile american citizens themselves are complaining about no jobs.

American citizenship does not equate to job credibility and this is the truth. If i own a business and I need programmers, your US birth certificate does not make you eligible to be a programmer.

This is beyond legality or citizenship my friend or welfare.

I'm neither democrat nor republican but doing the right thing is what is always important and not sticking behind 'labels'

18235
18235

you're nobody in washington dc unless you have a cheap illegal alien for a butler or maid or chauffeaur.

all the bs about undocumented workers is really about cheap domestic help for politicians.....and so that latinos dont picket outside liberal magazines that are 99 percent white writers.

18235
18235

ok, everybody can be happy when thormanfivo gets paid as little as undocumented workers.

YOU can make an undocumented worker happy by giving your over paid job to him and her, for him or her to work for less.

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

 You're not getting the realistic basis on this. By making them legal, it would actually increase the minimum wage, this is basic economics. The fact that they are undocumented, they get paid less than minimum wage and that pulls your wages down. Blame it on the business and bad governance. Not people who want to live just like you. Be wary of emotionally charged politics just to get your vote.

18235
18235

as is, there are 100 million more people, right now, in usa then there were in 1968!

another 40 years from now there will be another 100 million, at least.

the govt---and liberals---should start thinking of usa environment re over population.

AND MANY  CHINESE AND EAST INDIANS  ARE WORKING FOR UNDER A DOLLAR AN HOUR-----THATS WHAT THOSE IN POWER WANT FOR USA, IN ORDER TO COMPETE WITH THE BILLIONS OF CHINESE AND INDIANS.

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

 I don't like over population as much as you do. But this is a global issue that involves not just politics but also religion i.e. contraceptives.. I'm just hoping that our mission to mars and other parts of our solar system or on to other galaxies pay off because we really our bound one way or another to overpopulate this planet. I don't about you but I do my best to think with an abundance mentality rather than scarcity mentality. I have no ill will towards anybody or to you.

18235
18235

maybe all the over paid gringos on the supreme court should be replaced by five dollar an hour spanish speaking judges.

18235
18235

TIME MAGAZINE SHOULD FIRE ALL ITS OVER PAID GRINGO WRITERS AND HIRE...UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS....AT FIVE CENTS A WORD.

and how come time magazine isnt half in spanish?!

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

 I seriously think this is about people not being happy for other

people being successful. Instead of being mad or hateful, be happy for

them. Yet many still try to put them down with the technicality of the

law. Trick question: When does a minimum wage honest working earner

become unlawful: When the congress says so. 

I'm sure we are all guilty of overspeeding, if this is the case then all of us should be

deported.

There is no question that laws are to be enforced however, laws are

man made and just because it's a law it doesn't make it right. Let me

say that again. Just because it's a law, it doesn't make it right. You

can go to many cities around the world where prostitution is legal, what

if the law says you have to be a prostitute and you decline, should I call you illegal?

Laws are meant to be practical, realistic and is not detrimental to

human dignity as much as it can. There is no doubt that the immigration

system in america is broken, waiting years even decades to get their

legal status.

Another trick question: If it were your case, would you be willing to

go to get your drivers license from DMV and for them to tell you,

"we'll mail your driver license in 5 years"

middleground13
middleground13

 Here's the thing Thor - I am a US citizen. I have friends from Canada who have been unable to get a work permit, as they are limited, and have chosen not to come here illegally with their children. Their thought was they needed to follow the country's laws to prove they would be good and decent citizens. Today they are watching children be rewarded for their parents breaking the law. I have another friend from Brazil who spent several years going through various hoops just to get her work permit. She is now on the path of citizenship, but it has taken many years and she is feeling like an idiot for not simply flying here when she felt like it. It's nearly impossible to be happy for people breaking the law when you have friends who have been punished for following it.

Tino Panama
Tino Panama

If you pay your money you can get into country. There are few loopholes. I did it and I can show you how. Its just paperwork.

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

By the way there are many applicants that no matter how they apply well and follow instructions black and blue it still is not enough.. check defineamerican.com, look for the stories section of wifes waiting for their spouses for years...

Tino Panama
Tino Panama

Anytime you deal with legal paperwork it has to be precisely what they ask for. Everyone that I know that has filled the paperwork out hasnt had any issues when everything is followed as directed. Im sure there are persons that have had bad experiences with it and I hope this new legislation will allow them to get the process taken care of. Im not an immigration lawyer though

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

Hi Tino, the problem is it's not just about paying money. I've seen many immigrants pay lots of money and yet they don't get any paper work at all or have to wait for like forever. If there are few loopholes, you must be an immigration lawyer. 

Thormanfiveo
Thormanfiveo

I see but what I see with that kind of argument is like saying "since my friends waited for their driver license for five years, the rest should too" Just because your friends spent so much time to follow let's say a broken law, it doesn't make it right to wish for everyone else to wait the same. Your friends are as much as victims of broken immigration system america has. I'm not advocating in any way to break the law, but this is a very complicated issue more than just an issue of 'following the law'. I believe your friends shouldn't have waited long to follow an abusive system. Nobody likes it when they are lead on when TIME is value.

18235
18235

amazing how almost all of usa's illegal immigration problems comes from south of usa border, and not from  the north

middleground13
middleground13

 Here's the problem Thor, I have friends from Canada who desperately want to come here, and have gone through lots of crap to do so, and still can not get work permits. They chose not to come illegally with their kids. Today, they are regretting their decision to follow a nation's laws in order to prove that you're worthy to become a part of that nation. I also have a friend from Brazil who took 2 years getting her work permit, and she is on the road to citizenship, but it has taken a long time. She is also watching these kids get rewarded today for their parents intentionally breaking the law. it's incredibly hard to be happy for people who didn't give a sh*t about my country's rules and watch friends be punished for not breaking them.

Sloan
Sloan

Stop calling them undocumented. Your desire to re-write history and use language designed to evoke sympathy rather than report the truth is detestable. I agree we need immigration reform in this country, however being in this country illegally is a crime and it needs to be enforced. 

EdC
EdC

This is immigration reform by fiat, not by Congressional action! All hail King Obama!

18235
18235

Todo el Rey de granizo Obama!

that is how it should read----blame time magazine for having way too many over paid gringo writers, and not printing their magazine in spanish, and having pesos for the cover price.

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