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Beijing Doubling-Down on Stealth Fighters

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The F-60: China's fledging second stealth warplane

If a single stealth fighter is good, two must be better. The U.S. military, after all, thinks so: look at its F-22 and F-35 warplanes.

And now China is apparently joining the two-stealth-birds-in-the-hand are worth lots-on-the-drawing-board.

The new jet – the F-60 in Western intelligence circles – follows the J-20 as Beijing’s second fifth-generation fighter, characterized by radar-eluding stealth technology.

The twin-engine jet appears to be smaller than the J-20 and perhaps intended for use aboard China’s lone aircraft carrier, the Varyag, defense analysts suggest. Bill Gertz over at the Washington Free Beacon has more details.

It first surface last month on Chinese military websites and YouTube postings; in this clip, a young photographer apparently ignores orders told not to film the trailered F-60 as it passes by. A hand moves in front of her lens just after the plane passes by.

Kind of makes you wonder: if Chinese authorities wanted to keep this bird secret, why did they move it in broad daylight?

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IAF101
IAF101

China trots out what looks like a studio sci-fi prop and everybody in Washington goes into a tizzy about a "new stealth jet". As if to say their "first" stealth jet is working fine ? 

Let's not kid ourselves - the chinese "Stealth" project is as credible as Saddam's ability to nuke Europe in 30 mins!  Even their "regular" 4th gen J-10B is still being perfected, it will take them decades to field anything as credible as the Russian stealth project, let's forget any competition to the F-22/F-35. 

In real terms, what this will do is make it hard for Obama or Congress to cut the defense budget any further. It will also make it that much harder to scale back futuristic programs like the Next-Generation Bomber program etc.  

Now that Osama is dead and gone, the new "villain" on the horizon is China and everybody knows America just NEEDS to have a good villain. 

Xuan Thu
Xuan Thu

J20 steals design of F22

"J35" (F60) steal design of F35

China steals design and technology of every countries which make better products than china: clothes, appliances, software, electronic devices, high speed train, jet fighters, islands, resources,etc, You name it!

disqusdamnuserid
disqusdamnuserid

lol...whiteboys like you that think your "learning/knowledge" was not stolen from other ancient civilizations like from the Arabs then you kid yourself. 

omegafrontier
omegafrontier

So basically much to nothing is known about this fighter and there goes the speculations.  The United States has the tendency to severely overestimate, perhaps exaggerate, the capacity of other nation military forces.  

Kevin Brent
Kevin Brent

Perhaps the author would like to explain to the readers how a nation that doesn't have the technical know how to craft fan blades for jet engines suddenly developed a stealth plane. If stealing technology were that successful for them, they wouldn't be buying every component of their jet engines from Russia. Anyone who believes China is first rate military power, is a damn fool.

Simco123
Simco123

Acctually the Chinese carrier the ex Varyag is use for training so the F60 will be use on the indegenius carriers curently being built.

Julius Caesar
Julius Caesar

stealth technology is not very difficult ... just need to try a few things and result are achieved quite quickly. 

The problem is not how to do it technically in one plane , but how to manufacture the plane in large numbers while keeping the stealthiness of the plane operational.  

It's high tech endeavor to get it doen correctly that will then also work in a real life war engagement.

That is something you can't copy ... 

Mike
Mike

They're stealing as fast as they can.  If the US had 3 stealth fighters, China would also....

mahboob_1948
mahboob_1948

 China got the Stealth technology from the Serbian war,

czynik
czynik

 China got stealth technology from Bill Clinton for campaign donations who got the US involved in the Serbian war on the side of muslims.

IAF101
IAF101

That is Howard Huges stealth technology and in todays day irrelevant. 

freefallingbomb
freefallingbomb

 My special friend, Mr. Thompson, wrote: “Kind of makes you wonder: If Chinese authorities wanted to keep this bird secret, why did they move it in broad daylight?”

I conclude from Mr. Thompson's conclusion that he's mocking China's spies, clearly hinting that they're too retarded to keep their secrets secret. To be spies.

And this although new, secret, stealthy fighter models are literally clogging China's streets, of whose existence all Western spy agencies together knew NOTHING until they first learned about them from anonymous, civilian, Chinese “Youtube” uploaders (and that despite strict Chinese Internet censorship!) – but according to Mr. Thompson this only proves that “Chinese” spies are a joke.

Sad, very sad...

P.S.: At least in good Uncle Joe's (Stalin's) Russia there were always some fulminating personal consequences at hand for blundering and otherwise provenly useless spies. (Sigh!!!)

NStat
NStat

because spy agencies post everything they know on the internet, so we always know what they do of course

WillLeach
WillLeach

As someone who is not a fan of my countries wasteful spending on stealth "fighter" aircraft, I was at first surprised that China would decide to follow us into fiscal ruin by playing catch up in procuring expensive less than stealthy aircraft that can bring little force to bare

For China to think that they can beat us at our own game may not be much of a stretch. Much of what the US has spent on Ramp;D over the last ten years may be better and cheaper now thanks to private enterprise making technical leaps and bounds. Still, even if China could do more for less they would still be faced with the drawbacks inherant to building a plane around its radar cross section. Granted the US exclusively uses new radar types that are vulnerable to stealth technology, so they could use our faith in stealth against us.

The main reason for China to appearantly double down on stealth may be to manipulate the reactionary American defense establishment. Some American technocrat is bound to use the proven "missle gap" ploy to politic his way up the ladder. Soon we will hear a chorus of "experts" flaming the fears of a "silent tiger" that is the stealthy Chinese airforce. The only answer to this pressing problem will be more more more. More F22s, more F35s and more stealth aircraft more gadget laden and more costly.

Meanwhile China will focus their press releases on its own stealth turkeys, even as it builds real fighters and the capability to produce many more. After all, if China keeps its investment in stealth modest (publically it will do the opposite) low production rates will be read in America as justification for its own bloated rot of a procurement process.

Expect Chinas to continue propping up our fantasies about stealth technology, in public anyways. As we buy more and more debt for less and less capability, know that China will be using its stealth aircraft as a testbed for exploiting our own weaknesses.

Mike259
Mike259

They'll probably never use it. But that's how we defeat our big enemies. We trick them into following us on these unbelievable space exploration and defense spending sprees and then they go broke (i.e. USSR)

MySchizoBuddy
MySchizoBuddy

 with $15Trillion in debt. It looks like US will go broke before China does.

freefallingbomb
freefallingbomb

 But now everybody has learned something.

21 years after the end of the Soviet Union, Reagan's “Strategic Defense Initiative” (the U.S. American missile shield) still doesn't work! And now the next Super-Power may just call America's bluff.

freefallingbomb
freefallingbomb

 To the poster “WillLeach”

You wrote: “The main reason for China to appearantly double down on stealth may be to manipulate the reactionary American defense establishment. Some American technocrat is bound to use the proven 'missile gap' ploy to politic his way up the ladder.” (Etc.)

Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant...!

Or better: ASTUTE observation!

Precisely the opposite of how most people will probably think and react to this news (= mechanically, and thus predictably), especially in the U.S. American military-industrial complex!

Your minoritary opinion reminds me of a vaguely similar situation two years ago, in 27.6.2010, when the U.S.A. arrested 10 Russian spies including a sultry redhead called Anna Chapman. At that time, everybody also vociferated against the “eternal, mortal threat” that Russian espionage will “always” pose “to the survival of the U.S.A.”, “how vulnerable the West had become to inflitrations by its sworn enemies”, bla bla bla...

Only one man didn't partipate in that hysterical chorus: None less than British master-spy David Cornwell! Like you, that imperturbable, wily, old fox saw and said precisely the opposite of the sheepish, inflamed Western Presses and populations:

“David Cornwell, who under the pseudonym John le Carré so ably captured the dark intrigues of Cold War espionage, even suggested that out-of-control 'rightists' in America's intelligence agencies were trying to jinx the improvement in Russian-American relations. He asked: 'As we watch live in glorious Technicolor the greatest spy-swap of the twenty-first century, and hear in our memories the zither twanging out the Harry Lime theme, do the spies expect us to go scurrying back to our cold war shelters? Is that the cunning plan?' ”

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a...

(page 3)

Never be fooled!

freefallingbomb
freefallingbomb

 Didn't Western Intelligence always reassure us that this will be next to impossible in the next > 50 years, and in the meantime the U.S. Airforce will field thousands of cheap, stealthy V.T.O.L. fighter drones with Artificial Intelligence, and that Chinese “are Asians” and “backwardish” or something...? Yep, they promised us that.